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      01-07-2020, 12:57 PM   #1
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Why was Obama disliked so much?

I'd love to hear some opinions of what about Obama rubbed people so wrong. He seemed very steady to me, articulate, professional, kind, caring, intelligent.
I didn't agree with everything he did or whatever, but during his presidency were there really that many American's that had a strong dislike for him, but why? What was it that was so dislikeable? Harvard Law President? Community Organizer? Smug ivy leaguer? What was it?
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At the time, I didn't agree with some of his foreign policy. Items that I now realize may actually have been BRILLIANT statesmanship. Bowing to other foreign leaders comes to mind.

"You can keep your Dr." and related efforts to make it a "tax" and not insurance for all. I'm interested in providing care for all US CITIZENS, but we went beyond that.
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1) He weaponized the IRS and then actively targeted law abiding citizens simply due to their political beliefs.

2) He actually told business owners that "they didn't build that" and that the government was directly responsible for their success.

3) He told an industry that employs nearly a million people, mostly blue collar workers, that his goal was to bankrupt their industry and put them all out of a job.

4) He authorized the FBI to disseminate weapons to Mexican drug cartels which were subsequently used to kill Americans.

5) "If you like your doctor, you can keep him."

6) According to the ACLU there was a 64 percent growth in electronic spying by the United States government during Obama’s first term.

7) In May 2017, we also found out that Obama’s National Security Agency had been conducting illegal searches on Americans for years and was rebuked by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). We didn’t hear about it sooner because the Obama administration covered it up.

8) Released over 500 prisoners of war from Gitmo, with nearly 250 of them going back and actively fighting Americans within 12 months.

9) dismemberment of unborn babies in abortion plus endorsed financial support for Planned Parenthood, which executes nearly 900 children daily.

10) Forty seven percent of the entire national debt was accumulated during his eight years in office

11) He alienated Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeatedly and jeopardized the future of Israel, one of our strongest allies, in recklessly granting billions to Iran with the empty assurance they would not proceed in developing the nuclear weapon they continue to build to "wipe Israel off the map."
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I'd love to hear some opinions of what about Obama rubbed people so wrong. He seemed very steady to me, articulate, professional, kind, caring, intelligent.
I didn't agree with everything he did or whatever, but during his presidency were there really that many American's that had a strong dislike for him, but why? What was it that was so dislikeable? Harvard Law President? Community Organizer? Smug ivy leaguer? What was it?
You took the words right out of my mouth. I'll be the first to admit that I don't know the first thing about politics, so I usually just stay the hell out of all of it. But the fact is that no president, or presidency is or has been perfect, and some of the most beloved past presidents were utter trash behind closed doors (back when stuff was much easier to cover up), yet they are still popular to this day.

It's not so easy to be the President, I think, simply because every decision is good, and bad, it just depends on who you are which is which. It sucks, but there just isn't any right (amicable) answer to anything.

And yeah, I have to say it; I think a lot of the Obama protesters would take him back over Trump in the quickest of heartbeats.
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I'd love to hear some opinions of what about Obama rubbed people so wrong. He seemed very steady to me, articulate, professional, kind, caring, intelligent.
I didn't agree with everything he did or whatever, but during his presidency were there really that many American's that had a strong dislike for him, but why? What was it that was so dislikeable? Harvard Law President? Community Organizer? Smug ivy leaguer? What was it?
He talked a good game, but didn't back it up.
-ACA was a nightmare pleading to be repealed when the GOP took back power....except the GOP behind Trump couldn't get their act together (thanks freedom caucus)
-extremely naive foreign policy, ineffective in advancing American policy
-way to much use of executive orders
-complete lack of skill in implementing bipartisan solutions

Worst president since Nixon.....until Trump came along.
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1) He weaponized the IRS and then actively targeted law abiding citizens simply due to their political beliefs.

2) He actually told business owners that "they didn't build that" and that the government was directly responsible for their success.

3) He told an industry that employs nearly a million people, mostly blue collar workers, that his goal was to bankrupt their industry and put them all out of a job.

4) He authorized the FBI to disseminate weapons to Mexican drug cartels which were subsequently used to kill Americans.

5) "If you like your doctor, you can keep him."

6) According to the ACLU there was a 64 percent growth in electronic spying by the United States government during Obamaís first term.

7) In May 2017, we also found out that Obamaís National Security Agency had been conducting illegal searches on Americans for years and was rebuked by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). We didnít hear about it sooner because the Obama administration covered it up.

8) Released over 500 prisoners of war from Gitmo, with nearly 250 of them going back and actively fighting Americans within 12 months.

9) dismemberment of unborn babies in abortion plus endorsed financial support for Planned Parenthood, which executes nearly 900 children daily.

10) Forty seven percent of the entire national debt was accumulated during his eight years in office

11) He alienated Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeatedly and jeopardized the future of Israel, one of our strongest allies, in recklessly granting billions to Iran with the empty assurance they would not proceed in developing the nuclear weapon they continue to build to "wipe Israel off the map."
But how much of that was actually him? And how much of it was thought to be bad at the time, but is being shown to actually be good in retrospect? And had he not been in office, what worse things would probably have been done by the people running against him?

Do you not think it could have been much worse? Like Trump worse??
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1) He weaponized the IRS and then actively targeted law abiding citizens simply due to their political beliefs.

Any sources for this one?

2) He actually told business owners that "they didn't build that" and that the government was directly responsible for their success.

So he said something that was offensive? I don't know why but this feels out of context to me. Or I could be wrong.

3) He told an industry that employs nearly a million people, mostly blue collar workers, that his goal was to bankrupt their industry and put them all out of a job.

Which industry?

4) He authorized the FBI to disseminate weapons to Mexican drug cartels which were subsequently used to kill Americans.

That reads like a conspiracy theory more than a fact, why would anyone, let alone a US president give weapons to drug cartels?

5) "If you like your doctor, you can keep him."

6) According to the ACLU there was a 64 percent growth in electronic spying by the United States government during Obama’s first term.

Back when everyone and their Moms were using Facebook? Back then?

7) In May 2017, we also found out that Obama’s National Security Agency had been conducting illegal searches on Americans for years and was rebuked by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). We didn’t hear about it sooner because the Obama administration covered it up.

I'm not ok with that.

8) Released over 500 prisoners of war from Gitmo, with nearly 250 of them going back and actively fighting Americans within 12 months.

I'm not ok with that.

9) dismemberment of unborn babies in abortion plus endorsed financial support for Planned Parenthood, which executes nearly 900 children daily.

Yuck - not ok obviously.

10) Forty seven percent of the entire national debt was accumulated during his eight years in office

I'd like to see sources for that stat.

11) He alienated Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeatedly and jeopardized the future of Israel, one of our strongest allies, in recklessly granting billions to Iran with the empty assurance they would not proceed in developing the nuclear weapon they continue to build to "wipe Israel off the map."

How so and why?
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Google "Obama bowing".

'nuff said.

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In addition to Run Silent'sl list:

He allowed Holder and Lynch to run rampant to foster mistrust of Police. Police realized that that the White House first assumed any complaint against the police was valid.

He allowed Iran to be in a position that they took 150 Billion from the U.S and Europe (Nuclear Deal) to grow their terrorist organization.

He refused to confront Isis.

He allowed China to fck us.

He did not confront illegal immigration

He allowed NK to develop the Bomb and long range missles.

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1) He weaponized the IRS and then actively targeted law abiding citizens simply due to their political beliefs.

2) He actually told business owners that "they didn't build that" and that the government was directly responsible for their success.

3) He told an industry that employs nearly a million people, mostly blue collar workers, that his goal was to bankrupt their industry and put them all out of a job.

4) He authorized the FBI to disseminate weapons to Mexican drug cartels which were subsequently used to kill Americans.

5) "If you like your doctor, you can keep him."

6) According to the ACLU there was a 64 percent growth in electronic spying by the United States government during Obamaís first term.

7) In May 2017, we also found out that Obamaís National Security Agency had been conducting illegal searches on Americans for years and was rebuked by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). We didnít hear about it sooner because the Obama administration covered it up.

8) Released over 500 prisoners of war from Gitmo, with nearly 250 of them going back and actively fighting Americans within 12 months.

9) dismemberment of unborn babies in abortion plus endorsed financial support for Planned Parenthood, which executes nearly 900 children daily.

10) Forty seven percent of the entire national debt was accumulated during his eight years in office

11) He alienated Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeatedly and jeopardized the future of Israel, one of our strongest allies, in recklessly granting billions to Iran with the empty assurance they would not proceed in developing the nuclear weapon they continue to build to "wipe Israel off the map."

... and he was so well liked regardless. He was the country's opiate in that he instilled a feeling of warm coziness (trump is our methamphetamine). I have a relative who doesn't do much of anything for anybody yet is so liked. I refer to him as Obama. I'd love to be so loved just because .

Oh... and he won the Nobel Peace Prize for no apparent reason.
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1) He weaponized the IRS and then actively targeted law abiding citizens simply due to their political beliefs.

Any sources for this one? Lots

2) He actually told business owners that "they didn't build that" and that the government was directly responsible for their success.

So he said something that was offensive? I don't know why but this feels out of context to me. Or I could be wrong.

3) He told an industry that employs nearly a million people, mostly blue collar workers, that his goal was to bankrupt their industry and put them all out of a job.

Which industry?

4) He authorized the FBI to disseminate weapons to Mexican drug cartels which were subsequently used to kill Americans.

That reads like a conspiracy theory more than a fact, why would anyone, let alone a US president give weapons to drug cartels? Fast and furious scandal

5) "If you like your doctor, you can keep him."

6) According to the ACLU there was a 64 percent growth in electronic spying by the United States government during Obamaís first term.

Back when everyone and their Moms were using Facebook? Back then?

7) In May 2017, we also found out that Obamaís National Security Agency had been conducting illegal searches on Americans for years and was rebuked by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). We didnít hear about it sooner because the Obama administration covered it up.

I'm not ok with that.

8) Released over 500 prisoners of war from Gitmo, with nearly 250 of them going back and actively fighting Americans within 12 months.

I'm not ok with that.

9) dismemberment of unborn babies in abortion plus endorsed financial support for Planned Parenthood, which executes nearly 900 children daily.

Yuck - not ok obviously.

10) Forty seven percent of the entire national debt was accumulated during his eight years in office

I'd like to see sources for that stat. Trump is much worse on that

11) He alienated Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeatedly and jeopardized the future of Israel, one of our strongest allies, in recklessly granting billions to Iran with the empty assurance they would not proceed in developing the nuclear weapon they continue to build to "wipe Israel off the map."

How so and why? Who cares what Netanyahu thinks......
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In addition to Run Silent'sl list:

He allowed Holder and Lynch to run rampant to foster mistrust of Police. Police realized that that the White House first assumed any complaint against the police was valid.

He allowed Iran to be in a position that they took 150 Billion from the U.S and Europe (Nuclear Deal) to grow their terrorist organization. It was Iran's own money, frozen back in 1980 or so

He refused to confront Isis. Um....he did.

He allowed China to fck us.

He did not confront illegal immigration He actually ramped up ICE and deportation

He allowed NK to develop the Bomb and long range missles. OK, he and everyboy else. Only a war would have avoided this.

He was just a lazy President

Trump sure does play a lot more golf.........
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... and he was so well liked regardless. He was the country's opiate in that he instilled a feeling of warm coziness (trump is our methamphetamine). I have a relative who doesn't do much of anything for anybody yet is so liked. I refer to him as Obama. I'd love to be so loved just because .

Oh... and he won the Nobel Peace Prize for no apparent reason.
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Worst president since Nixon.....until Trump came along.

Wow. That's some perspective!

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... and he was so well liked regardless. He was the country's opiate in that he instilled a feeling of warm coziness (trump is our methamphetamine). I have a relative who doesn't do much of anything for anybody yet is so liked. I refer to him as Obama. I'd love to be so loved just because .

Oh... and he won the Nobel Peace Prize for no apparent reason.

That's also interesting - I kind of see what you're saying actually. These are the kinds of perspectives I was curious to learn more about. I think you might be on to something.
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1) He weaponized the IRS and then actively targeted law abiding citizens simply due to their political beliefs.

Any sources for this one?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyph.../#699bb89bcd1f

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Lerner


2) He actually told business owners that "they didn't build that" and that the government was directly responsible for their success.

So he said something that was offensive? I don't know why but this feels out of context to me. Or I could be wrong.



3) He told an industry that employs nearly a million people, mostly blue collar workers, that his goal was to bankrupt their industry and put them all out of a job.

Which industry?

https://www.politico.com/story/2012/...in-2012-074892

https://www.politifact.com/ohio/stat...d-bankrupt-co/

https://money.cnn.com/2015/08/03/inv...nge/index.html


4) He authorized the FBI to disseminate weapons to Mexican drug cartels which were subsequently used to kill Americans.

That reads like a conspiracy theory more than a fact, why would anyone, let alone a US president give weapons to drug cartels?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/...first-scandal/

https://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision...ealed-17352963

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal


5) "If you like your doctor, you can keep him."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-plan-keep-it/

6) According to the ACLU there was a 64 percent growth in electronic spying by the United States government during Obamaís first term.

Back when everyone and their Moms were using Facebook? Back then?

https://www.csoonline.com/article/22...ok-office.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...lance/2412885/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_...llance_program)


7) In May 2017, we also found out that Obamaís National Security Agency had been conducting illegal searches on Americans for years and was rebuked by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). We didnít hear about it sooner because the Obama administration covered it up.

I'm not ok with that.

No one is, it is super slimy

8) Released over 500 prisoners of war from Gitmo, with nearly 250 of them going back and actively fighting Americans within 12 months.

I'm not ok with that.

No one is, it is super slimy

9) dismemberment of unborn babies in abortion plus endorsed financial support for Planned Parenthood, which executes nearly 900 children daily.

Yuck - not ok obviously.

Nope - it isn't. He also said during a speech, and I quote, "Thank God for planned parenthood" - What the F?

10) Forty seven percent of the entire national debt was accumulated during his eight years in office

I'd like to see sources for that stat.

https://www.justfacts.com/nationaldebt.asp

https://www.thebalance.com/national-...-obama-3306293

https://www.politifact.com/new-jerse...evious-43-pre/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nationa...n-under-obama/


11) He alienated Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeatedly and jeopardized the future of Israel, one of our strongest allies, in recklessly granting billions to Iran with the empty assurance they would not proceed in developing the nuclear weapon they continue to build to "wipe Israel off the map."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...637_story.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655


How so and why?
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Republicans hated him from day #1. I never heard so much racist stuff from ppl in my life. That stuff doesn't make it to the news but the truth of why they hated him was obvious.

But that was ok because the other half of the country liked him so that was normal.

But then when Obama caved into the crazy war ppl and increased war in Middle East then a lot of supporters left him and only far left liberals were left to like him and Middle ppl and anti war either didn't care anymore or disliked him


It's kinda like now a lot of anti war ppl have left trump so he's left with only crazy neo con ppl to support him so he will also go down as being very disliked
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In addition to Run Silent'sl list:

He allowed Holder and Lynch to run rampant to foster mistrust of Police. Police realized that that the White House first assumed any complaint against the police was valid.

He allowed Iran to be in a position that they took 150 Billion from the U.S and Europe (Nuclear Deal) to grow their terrorist organization.

He refused to confront Isis.

He allowed China to fck us.

He did not confront illegal immigration

He allowed NK to develop the Bomb and long range missles.

He was just a lazy President
I mean, this list sounds like you think he deliberately tried to do things that were not in the country's best interest, and I just refuse to believe that. Undoubtedly he had a bigger perspective on these things than you did, and maybe from his chair the decisions made more sense. But since you've never sat in his chair, like the rest of us, none of them make sense.

And honestly, has everything in your life worked out exactly how you thought, even when you made the most reasonable decision? I know it hasn't in mine.
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1) He weaponized the IRS and then actively targeted law abiding citizens simply due to their political beliefs.

2) He actually told business owners that "they didn't build that" and that the government was directly responsible for their success.

3) He told an industry that employs nearly a million people, mostly blue collar workers, that his goal was to bankrupt their industry and put them all out of a job.

4) He authorized the FBI to disseminate weapons to Mexican drug cartels which were subsequently used to kill Americans.

5) "If you like your doctor, you can keep him."

6) According to the ACLU there was a 64 percent growth in electronic spying by the United States government during Obama's first term.

7) In May 2017, we also found out that Obama's National Security Agency had been conducting illegal searches on Americans for years and was rebuked by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). We didn't hear about it sooner because the Obama administration covered it up.

8) Released over 500 prisoners of war from Gitmo, with nearly 250 of them going back and actively fighting Americans within 12 months.

9) dismemberment of unborn babies in abortion plus endorsed financial support for Planned Parenthood, which executes nearly 900 children daily.

10) Forty seven percent of the entire national debt was accumulated during his eight years in office

11) He alienated Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeatedly and jeopardized the future of Israel, one of our strongest allies, in recklessly granting billions to Iran with the empty assurance they would not proceed in developing the nuclear weapon they continue to build to "wipe Israel off the map."
Excellent list but I think my biggest reason wasn't mentioned.

As our country's first black President he had an opportunity like no one else to help reduce racial devisions. Instead, his actions and rhetoric accelerated this divide.

There's a good reason Nelson Mandela is regarded as a great leader. He wasn't vindictive. He embraced his political adversaries. President Obama did the exact opposite.
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