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View Poll Results: Was killing Soleimani the right move?
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      01-08-2020, 08:17 AM   #45
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I agree with you here, but I also think that diplomatic immunity should not apply to people who gloat about killing Americans.

The world is a better place with this piece of shit IN PIECES in the ground.
Augmented your post.
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If he were simply "a terrorist" that would have made this issue a whole lot simpler. You understand that, yes?
So he was an elite terrorist, like Epstein was an elite pedophile?
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Definition. Yup, still a terrorist.
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If he were simply "a terrorist" that would have made this issue a whole lot simpler. You understand that, yes?
Really, you're going to support Iran in this?

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Really, your going to support Iran in this?
I dont think he's supporting Iran here. I think he's just pointing out that it would be easier for the general public to digest if he was a terrorist in a cave, rather than one wearing a military uniform.
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I dont think he's supporting Iran here. I think he's just pointing out that it would be easier for the general public to digest if he was a terrorist in a cave, rather than one wearing a military uniform.
I think part of the problem is the word "terrorist". The general feeling seems to be that it's some guy sitting in a cave or detonating a suicide vest in a market. The reality is that the dictionary definition a few posts back is what a terrorist is, it just doesn't seem to be applied to military generals very often if ever. At least by the MSM who gets the message out.
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I think part of the problem is the word "terrorist". The general feeling seems to be that it's some guy sitting in a cave or detonating a suicide vest in a market. The reality is that the dictionary definition a few posts back is what a terrorist is, it just doesn't seem to be applied to military generals very often if ever. At least by the MSM who gets the message out.
I can think of one.

TERRORIST!

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I can think of one.

TERRORIST!

Agreed, and I think that supports the point I was making. It's just generally not what people think of when they think of when you say terrorist. I think we can agree there also seems to be a view of certain groups to downplay terrorists in general.
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I dont think he's supporting Iran here. I think he's just pointing out that it would be easier for the general public to digest if he was a terrorist in a cave, rather than one wearing a military uniform.
So in WWII, when the Allied Forces were trying to take out Adolph Hitler, that would have been wrong had the mission been accomplished?
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Really, your going to support Iran in this?
This shouldn't be simplified down to either you support killing Soleimani, or you support Iran, though it seems like many are taking that position. If he was just some terrorist in a cave, it'd obviously be simpler, but in this case we have to weigh killing him vs the consequences of Iran's retaliation, and decide if it's worth it.

That makes it much more debatable since we don't know the extent of how Iran will retaliate, and we don't know whether Trump will allow the situation to escalate. If this turns into full-blown war, would it be worth thousands of American casualties, billions of dollars spent, civilian deaths, future instability, etc?
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So in WWII, when the Allied Forces were trying to take out Adolph Hitler, that would have been wrong had the mission been accomplished?
I'm not disagreeing it was the right thing to do. I'm providing what I believe to be his thought with the comment, which is 100% valid.

People get a bit gun-shy when you start taking out top military leaders, thats all I was trying to say (and what I believe he was trying to say).
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The poster boy for Iranian terrorism was picked up with shovels and put in a ziplock, Iranian missiles hit nothing and they learned a valuable much needed lesson on Trumps resolve, market is slightly up today and crude price is down and it seems we’re back in a state of detente.
Yes, it was well worth eliminating the general. Great call Mr President and yet another feather in the cap towards being re-elected.
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Even those accused of HEINOUS war crimes in Germany were afforded time in The Hague. We have to be careful in assuming the role of judge, jury, and executioner.
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I'm not disagreeing it was the right thing to do. I'm providing what I believe to be his thought with the comment, which is 100% valid.

People get a bit gun-shy when you start taking out top military leaders, thats all I was trying to say (and what I believe he was trying to say).
I don't see how the man wearing a uniform and having a rank of General makes any difference if eliminating him reduces threats to the mission in Iraq and protection of US personnel. I distinctly remember an airliner being flown into the Pentagon on Sept. 11th by terrorists. I saw it as no more or no less significant as the WTC buildings being targeted on the same day. Last time I checked generals are soldiers too; he erred in making himself vulnerable to attack.
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I don't see how the man wearing a uniform and having a rank of General makes any difference if eliminating him reduces threats to the mission in Iraq and protection of US personnel. I distinctly remember an airliner being flown into the Pentagon on Sept. 11th by terrorists. I saw it as no more or no less significant as the WTC buildings being targeted on the same day. Last time I checked generals are soldiers too; he erred in making himself vulnerable to attack.
I think you're missing the point. It's probably safe just to agree to disagree here.
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Even those accused of HEINOUS war crimes in Germany were afforded time in The Hague. We have to be careful in assuming the role of judge, jury, and executioner.
That was a very different time and very different public sentiment towards
World War 2.
What came about after the war, specifically in 1949, was to define War Crimes...
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Even those accused of HEINOUS war crimes in Germany were afforded time in The Hague. We have to be careful in assuming the role of judge, jury, and executioner.
There is a new precedent.
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That was a very different time and very different public sentiment towards
World War 2.
What came about after the war, specifically in 1949, was to define War Crimes...
And yet there was still due process before execution, correct?

As members of a global society, we have to agree on whom gets to make the death sentence decision before justice is carried out. Otherwise, just as we decided the general was a terrorist, the Iranian claim that US soldiers are terrorists grants them authority to launch missile strikes at terrorists on Iraqi bases? Had to strike while the opportunity was there, before the terrorists moved back to their home country.
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Even those accused of HEINOUS war crimes in Germany were afforded time in The Hague. We have to be careful in assuming the role of judge, jury, and executioner.
That was post surrender and a good number of them got their necks stretched.
Do you think that during the North African campaign the Allies wouldn’t have smoked the Desert Fox given the opportunity? In a NY minute they would have and Rommel wasn’t designated a terrorist by the UN or anyone else. High Military brass is always a valued target and rightfully so and the Hague and Geneva Convention have no rules against it.
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That was post surrender and a good number of them got their necks stretched.
Do you think that during the North African campaign the Allies wouldn’t have smoked the Desert Fox given the opportunity? In a NY minute they would have and Rommel wasn’t designated a terrorist by the UN or anyone else. High Military brass is always a valued target and rightfully so and the Hague and Geneva Convention have no rules against it.
Help me with my understanding: are we in a declared, active war with Iran? Or is this just more of 'The War on Terror?"

I would have zero issue if we were in an active war, taking out this general, with the possible exception that he was on neutral territory for some sort of negotiations.
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Help me with my understanding: are we in a declared, active war with Iran? Or is this just more of 'The War on Terror?"

I would have zero issue if we were in an active war, taking out this general, with the possible exception that he was on neutral territory for some sort of negotiations.
Rhetorical question posed there obviously. No it’s not a declared war but the UN designated him a terrorist and they’re no fans of the USA nowadays so that says a lot I think. The UN even put restrictions on leaving his country. We’ll see if there’s a formal complaint filed by the UN I don’t think one is coming. This is indeed the War on Terror and we can sit here splitting hairs but what it is it is. He’s dead and nobody is mourning except his family and fellow terrorists. He was Fair game regardless if he was off his home turf. Iraq isn’t neutral, Switzerland is neutral.
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