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      01-08-2020, 10:46 AM   #67
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Help me with my understanding: are we in a declared, active war with Iran? Or is this just more of 'The War on Terror?"

I would have zero issue if we were in an active war, taking out this general, with the possible exception that he was on neutral territory for some sort of negotiations.
We didn't take out an Iranian General, we took out a terrorist who happened to also be an Iranian General.

If we had killed him "because he was a General in the Iranian military" then I would agree to your point 100%.

We all know that isn't the case though.
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      01-08-2020, 10:51 AM   #68
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We didn't take out an Iranian General, we took out a terrorist who happened to also be an Iranian General.

If we had killed him "because he was a General in the Iranian military" then I would agree to your point 100%.

We all know that isn't the case though.
I'm not disagreeing with you. He was a terrorist, but since he was also an active member of the Iranian military I'd say that he was a state sanctioned terrorist. And that does complicate this situation.
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      01-08-2020, 11:29 AM   #69
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I agree with you here, but I also think that diplomatic immunity should not apply to people who gloat about killing Americans.

The world is a better place with this piece of shit in the ground.

I never suggested immunity should apply to him, or anyone else.
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      01-08-2020, 11:31 AM   #70
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What do you call a terrorist who lives in a cave in Afghanistan?
ANSWER: Simply a terrorist.

What do you call a terrorist who is an Army officer at Fort Hood?
ANSWER: Simply a terrorist.

What do you call a terrorist who is a Major General in a country's military?
ANSWER: Simply a terrorist.

I never said you shouldn't call him a terrorist. You're not going to play dumb and pretend that him being a uniformed member of the military for a sovereign nation doesn't complicate things, right? Right.

So, I'm not sure what the point of your post is. I already said I'm glad he's dead.

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      01-08-2020, 11:32 AM   #71
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So he was an elite terrorist, like Epstein was an elite pedophile?
You're smarter than this, too, gonzo. Why are you and Run Silent playing dumb today?

You guys are typically better than this...
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      01-08-2020, 11:33 AM   #72
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Really, you're going to support Iran in this?
You can go fuck yourself.

I volunteered to wear the uniform in defense of this country.
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      01-08-2020, 11:37 AM   #73
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I dont think he's supporting Iran here. I think he's just pointing out that it would be easier for the general public to digest if he was a terrorist in a cave, rather than one wearing a military uniform.
Correct, and not just "the general public". When you assassinate a very prominent member of a foreign country's military - whether he deserved it or not - things get very sticky very quickly. See: Iran's military launching rockets at locations known to house US troops in Iraq. See also: all the official comments flying back and forth between the US, Iran, and I'm sure other nations.
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      01-08-2020, 11:39 AM   #74
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I think part of the problem is the word "terrorist". The general feeling seems to be that it's some guy sitting in a cave or detonating a suicide vest in a market. The reality is that the dictionary definition a few posts back is what a terrorist is, it just doesn't seem to be applied to military generals very often if ever. At least by the MSM who gets the message out.
I have no problem with the word terrorist to describe Soleimani. It fits.

The reality is that him being a uniformed (and very high ranking) member of another nation's military - one we currently have very strained relations with - makes this a much bigger deal than if he was some oil baron's son sitting in a desert tent somewhere.

I'm baffled that this recognition seems to be controversial here, honestly.
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So in WWII, when the Allied Forces were trying to take out Adolph Hitler, that would have been wrong had the mission been accomplished?
Do you think, at all, before you post this tripe?
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      01-08-2020, 11:42 AM   #76
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You're smarter than this, too, gonzo. Why are you and Run Silent playing dumb today?

You guys are typically better than this...
I only play dumb in bars.
I just don't get the elevation you seem to be giving him. A uniform can't hide the evil he was responsible for. Raid the embassy...Really?
Patience was pushed off the table and Trump had shown tremendous patience up until that.
He poked his cocky little head out the window too far and lost it.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. He was a terrorist, but since he was also an active member of the Iranian military I'd say that he was a state sanctioned terrorist. And that does complicate this situation.
Thank Christ someone else gets the point I was making. Sheesh!
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      01-08-2020, 11:46 AM   #78
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I only play dumb in bars.
I just don't get the elevation you seem to be giving him. A uniform can't hide the evil he was responsible for. Raid the embassy...Really?
Patience was pushed off the table and Trump had shown tremendous patience up until that.
He poked his cocky little head out the window too far and lost it.
The End.
Where did I "elevate" him?

Is he a member of Iran's military?

Does that complicate this situation more than if he was just some dude in a cave?

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      01-08-2020, 11:53 AM   #79
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So he was an elite terrorist, like Epstein was an elite pedophile?
You're smarter than this, too, gonzo. Why are you and Run Silent playing dumb today?

You guys are typically better than this...
Today?
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Today?
I chuckled.

I may disagree with them sometimes, but at least they are usually in touch with reality.

I don't get it. I really don't.
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      01-08-2020, 11:55 AM   #81
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We didn't take out an Iranian General, we took out a terrorist who happened to also be an Iranian General.

If we had killed him "because he was a General in the Iranian military" then I would agree to your point 100%.

We all know that isn't the case though.
Do we have a civilized-world sanctioned list of terrorists? UN, MI-6, NATO? I honestly don't know. If so, and he is <now was> on the list, take the shot.

I'm simply worried about the US assuming the role of Earth-Central, for lack of a better term I can't put my finger on right now.
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Do we have a civilized-world sanctioned list of terrorists? UN, MI-6, NATO? I honestly don't know. If so, and he is <now was> on the list, take the shot.

I'm simply worried about the US assuming the role of Earth-Central, for lack of a better term I can't put my finger on right now.
If this type of elimination held a pattern then I'd question too...but we don't.
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Where did I "elevate" him?

Is he a member of Iran's military?

Does that complicate this situation more than if he was just some dude in a cave?

I see your point perfectly and would lean that way if he wasn't literally a barbarian.

Bottom line:
He's history, Iran acted like mad dogs but just plunked a few bottle rockets into the dirt. Yesterday, not you, people were screaming WARRRRRR IS COMING!
Now, look at today.
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I see your point perfectly and would lean that way if he wasn't literally a barbarian.
The fact that he was a murdering asshole doesn't magically make him not a part of the Iranian government.

There are agreed upon rules regarding the engagement of uniformed military members. This did not follow those rules in any way.
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...He's history, Iran acted like mad dogs but just plunked a few bottle rockets into the dirt. Yesterday, not you, people were screaming WARRRRRR IS COMING!
Now, look at today.
I'm glad that Trump was uncharacteristically restrained this morning.

While we would obviously win a war with Iran, it would be ugly and costly, and ultimately pointless.

Again, I simply question whether the timing/method/location for taking Soleimani out was the best choice, but that's water under the bridge at this point.
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I'm glad that Trump was uncharacteristically restrained this morning.

While we would obviously win a war with Iran, it would be ugly and costly, and ultimately pointless.

Again, I simply question whether the timing/method/location for taking Soleimani out was the best choice, but that's water under the bridge at this point.
I think we all can see the result today. Some will say not so fast and wait for few more years. They can wait all they want, but today is really a big day for all Americans (except for those still put on hate on Trump).
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I think we all can see the result today. Some will say not so fast and wait for few more years. They can wait all they want, but today is really a big day for all Americans (except for those still put on hate on Trump).
Well, I'm far from convinced that those missiles will be the only response that the Iranian government will ultimately be responsible for, but I hope you're right.

I think that will be the only official response from Iran. How much unofficial shit was Soleimani and the Iranian military/government involved with, though?
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I'm glad that Trump was uncharacteristically restrained this morning.

While we would obviously win a war with Iran, it would be ugly and costly, and ultimately pointless.

Again, I simply question whether the timing/method/location for taking Soleimani out was the best choice, but that's water under the bridge at this point.
Indeed he was. He has been restrained in the previous 11 missile strikes. I fully understand and actually agree that there are complications associated with taking General Soleimani out in the manner we all know and understand. I also believe that he warranted a special intervention due to the efficacy, breadth and scope of his previous actions and, most importantly what he brazenly did associated with the embassy.

The distinction that should be made with respect to his demise is not that he was simply a general. An army like that in Iran is probably top-heavy on generals, truth be told. President Trump did not target a general in their Air Force, Missile Forces, etc. He targeted the general that has been most responsible for the terror acts in that area with a global network at his behest. Further, he was a butcher of his own people, writ large. The uniform is the last bit of concern with respect to his being.

In order, he was the following:

Butcher of his own people.
Terrorist mastermind
Terrorist
General

We, and I mean the human race in this case, are all better off without that monster.

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