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      01-09-2020, 03:02 PM   #89
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So the media keeps calling this an accident or mistake, and then many of them are trying to put this on the US and on Trump specifically.
I haven't seen anything of the sort. Source? Or standard boilerplate?
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I haven't seen it either.
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From the NY Times... supposedly video of the plane being hit by a missile

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...vXu94wkf78IMKo
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From the NY Times... supposedly video of the plane being hit by a missile

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/v...vXu94wkf78IMKo
Seems odd that this guy just happened to be recording the dark sky at the time. Seems like someone holding a cell phone camera.
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      01-09-2020, 03:31 PM   #93
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Seems odd that this guy just happened to be recording the dark sky at the time. Seems like someone holding a cell phone camera.
It's definitely a cellphone camera (what else would it be!? lol) and let's be fair... people are on edge in Iran in anticipation of some type of retaliation, so it shouldn't be shocking that people are looking skyward more than usual.
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Seems odd that this guy just happened to be recording the dark sky at the time. Seems like someone holding a cell phone camera.
The country was launching missiles about the same and I’ve seen other vids of those launches.
One can clearly see the missile streaking towards something, detonation and boom about 11 sec afterwards which would put it roughly 2-2.5 miles from the recorder.
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I know a concerted effort to shove a story down our throats when I see it lol.

A few more leaks and some satelittle pics of all of it also coming soon lol.

Same old same old from the same shady characters

I think we all diserve to find the truth since I have a feeling all of us probably fly over areas with air missles like this without even knowing it so it's scary to think about this.

Also all flights should have been grounded no matter who did this. That was very very irresponsible from them and I think cannot be excused no matter what.
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Seems odd that this guy just happened to be recording the dark sky at the time. Seems like someone holding a cell phone camera.
There were possibly two Tor's fired, the first may have caused him to take out his phone.
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Imagining all the grief is gut wrenching.
That reminds me of Schindlers list, with the girls coat
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Flybigjet, could probably answer this. But I would guess an anti air missile or artillery from further away would be detectable by foreign radar or satallite.

If you were trying to hide the takedown, you would use something that would A. be harder to detect and B. be easier to blame on others.

You couldn't blame a traditional anti air missile on a rougue terrorist group, if needed.
Here's your answer-- from CBS News:

U.S. officials are confident Iran shot down a Ukrainian jetliner in the hours after the Iranian missile attack on U.S. targets earlier this week, CBS News has learned. The Ukrainian International Airlines plane crashed Wednesday soon after takeoff from Tehran's airport, killing all 176 people on board.

U.S. intelligence picked up signals of a radar being turned on, sources told CBS News. They said U.S. satellites also detected two surface-to-air missile launches, which happened shortly before the plane exploded.

Federal officials were briefed on the intelligence Thursday. A source who was in the briefing said it appears missile components were found near the crash site. The plane was believed to have been mistakenly targeted.
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I haven't seen anything of the sort. Source? Or standard boilerplate?
If you can stand watching our PM he was asked a number of times especially by the CBC if this was Trumps fault because of the drone attack on the Iranian General. FRT, and I know we don't all agree on Trump but I believe he acted on good intelligence to take out a threat to US troops, and he has acted the most presidential in the last few days of his entire term so far.

i don't blame this on Trump or the USA, I blame this on an over reaction of Iranian defense forces.
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I haven't seen anything of the sort. Source? Or standard boilerplate?
If you can stand watching our PM he was asked a number of times especially by the CBC if this was Trumps fault because of the drone attack on the Iranian General. FRT, and I know we don't all agree on Trump but I believe he acted on good intelligence to take out a threat to US troops, and he has acted the most presidential in the last few days of his entire term so far.

i don't blame this on Trump or the USA, I blame this on an over reaction of Iranian defense forces.
So you're upset with Trudeau, not the MSM? That makes more sense.......
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I haven't seen anything of the sort. Source? Or standard boilerplate?
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I haven't seen it either.
Same, I havenít seen a single US MSM blaming Trump for this either.
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If you can stand watching our PM he was asked a number of times especially by the CBC if this was Trumps fault because of the drone attack on the Iranian General. FRT, and I know we don't all agree on Trump but I believe he acted on good intelligence to take out a threat to US troops, and he has acted the most presidential in the last few days of his entire term so far.

i don't blame this on Trump or the USA, I blame this on an over reaction of Iranian defense forces.
Wow!!!!!
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Same, I havenít seen a single US MSM blaming Trump for this either.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-atlantic-david-frum-trump-ukrainian-airplane-iran
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-atlantic-david-frum-trump-ukrainian-airplane-iran
Thatís an opinion piece and I donít personally consider The Atlantic MSM. But, everyone is different in what they consider MSM to be.
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Maybe Iran should have some sanctions put on them for the shoot down?
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Same, I haven’t seen a single US MSM blaming Trump for this either.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-atlantic-david-frum-trump-ukrainian-airplane-iran
FOX news........especially this time of night
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Thatís an opinion piece and I donít personally consider The Atlantic MSM. But, everyone is different in what they consider MSM to be.
It got carried by Fox. Major network that pretends to not be MSM.

I dont agree with the item, I posted only in response to others.

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Blaming Trump for this..oh boy. Don't suppose there's much chance of Iran regime rounding up the perpetrators of this shoot down outrage that fired the missiles and publicly stoning them for the world to see.
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