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      01-31-2020, 03:56 PM   #45
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Just discussed the issue with a so called BMW genius and he said that the M50d was actually already out of production for four months during the "dieselgate". Then they decided to change the engine a bit, add a turbo and some other stuff to make it "cleaner" and reintroduced it again.

It may be that it will be discontinued for some markets where the green taxation drives the sale numbers down, but the engine itself is apparently not saying goodbye just yet.
Are you saying that the new 50d engine will warrant a lower tax bracket than is currently identified.

Meaning in the UK from April the 50d first year is a massive 1800.

With this new engine/changes, does it mean we are able to pay less tax as it's not actually producing the figures advised?

Also will this be available in the UK?
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Just discussed the issue with a so called BMW genius and he said that the M50d was actually already out of production for four months during the "dieselgate". Then they decided to change the engine a bit, add a turbo and some other stuff to make it "cleaner" and reintroduced it again.

It may be that it will be discontinued for some markets where the green taxation drives the sale numbers down, but the engine itself is apparently not saying goodbye just yet.
Are you saying that the new 50d engine will warrant a lower tax bracket than is currently identified.

Meaning in the UK from April the 50d first year is a massive 1800.

With this new engine/changes, does it mean we are able to pay less tax as it's not actually producing the figures advised?

Also will this be available in the UK?
I have no idea about the UK tax situation or which engines they will offer, all the Genius said was that BMW made changes to the M50d to keep it on the market that dictates more and more efficient engines. And that was after it was already discontinued for several months.

So, while I see the M50d not being offered in all the countries that had the chance to enjoy it by now, I remain sceptical about the news that 2020 will be the end of it.
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Just discussed the issue with a so called BMW genius and he said that the M50d was actually already out of production for four months during the "dieselgate". Then they decided to change the engine a bit, add a turbo and some other stuff to make it "cleaner" and reintroduced it again.

It may be that it will be discontinued for some markets where the green taxation drives the sale numbers down, but the engine itself is apparently not saying goodbye just yet.
Are you saying that the new 50d engine will warrant a lower tax bracket than is currently identified.

Meaning in the UK from April the 50d first year is a massive 1800.

With this new engine/changes, does it mean we are able to pay less tax as it's not actually producing the figures advised?

Also will this be available in the UK?
The new 50d engine is what's already in the G05.

There is an older iteration of he 50d engine from bmw which had three turbos and different internals but it was never available in G05. If I recall correctly, the only G Series cars that had those engines were the early G11 7 series
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I’m going through a similar dilemma at the moment after specking our 2020 G05.

However, I’m torn between a 40i, 30d and 40d (I’ll get to that part).

I can spec the same car with a 40i and 30d and roughly come out about the same monthlies. The 30d is a great car, no doubt, but I just feel it lacks a bit of punch and pace. I’ve just come from a RR Sport and it’s quick for a huge car. The 30d doesn’t seem as nippy. I looked at 30d remaps but it’s not my preferred route.

The 40i appealed to me as it has a bit more bhp for spirited driving, but the mpg I’m likely to achieve for my type of commute will be terrible.

I was originally torn between the 40i and 30d, but there’s a new option in the mix...the 40d.

As I’m speccing for a June delivery, the engine choices show the 40d as an option for £2500 extra. However, I risk the chance it won’t be here for June, meaning the supplementary Tech Pack on my current build could become an additional £2k as that’s predicated on a pre July delivery date. The build slots are still TBC so it’s hard to know when they are likely to be delivered.

Should I roll the dice on the 40d? Settle on the 30d? Or go for the 40i and suck up the petrol costs?

Any help, opinion or experiences would be greatly appreciated!

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      02-23-2020, 04:39 AM   #53
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The 40d should be good, but its a mild hybrid which has never been seen before so no reviews on how it drives or the economy. I imagine it will be great though, they'd have to really mess up to make that engine bad.

If MPG is a concern, 40d all the way! Adequate on the power & torque front, very good consumption with that mild hybrid too I'm sure.
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Iím going through a similar dilemma at the moment after specking our 2020 G05.

However, Iím torn between a 40i, 30d and 40d (Iíll get to that part).

I can spec the same car with a 40i and 30d and roughly come out about the same monthlies. The 30d is a great car, no doubt, but I just feel it lacks a bit of punch and pace. Iíve just come from a RR Sport and itís quick for a huge car. The 30d doesnít seem as nippy. I looked at 30d remaps but itís not my preferred route.

The 40i appealed to me as it has a bit more bhp for spirited driving, but the mpg Iím likely to achieve for my type of commute will be terrible.

I was originally torn between the 40i and 30d, but thereís a new option in the mix...the 40d.

As Iím speccing for a June delivery, the engine choices show the 40d as an option for £2500 extra. However, I risk the chance it wonít be here for June, meaning the supplementary Tech Pack on my current build could become an additional £2k as thatís predicated on a pre July delivery date. The build slots are still TBC so itís hard to know when they are likely to be delivered.

Should I roll the dice on the 40d? Settle on the 30d? Or go for the 40i and suck up the petrol costs?

Any help, opinion or experiences would be greatly appreciated!

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I have the same dilemma, but on balance I am going for the 40d. It's never certain and things can change, but normally a manufacturer has a similar amount they spend on 'Marketing Programs' they just slice it a bit differently in each quarter. They sometime put more against certain vehicles in some quarters but the current offer £1000 FDA and free tech pack isn't particularly aggressive and more 'normal'. My view is if I order and miss June there is likely to be something similar, not guaranteed I know but I can't imagine would lose the whole lot... Fingers crossed... I am ordering next week..
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      02-23-2020, 09:43 AM   #55
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Coming from a 40d F15 and now in a 40i G05 I much prefer the 40i. Unless you’re doing mega miles or perhaps towing I’d seriously consider the petrol option. It’s a much sweeter and refined delivery and it is seriously quick too with no apparent downside to having lower torque than in the diesel.

On a different note the fake exhaust speaker on the diesel M-Sport’s makes me cringe, I would find it embarrassing to be driving a diesel and having it pretend to sound like a petrol V8! It’s not quite as bad as the one Audi use though that’s the current day interpretation of the 80’s tea tray rear wing on a 1.4 escort!

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Coming from a 40d F15 and now in a 40i G05 I much prefer the 40i. Unless you're doing mega miles or perhaps towing I'd seriously consider the petrol option. It's a much sweeter and refined delivery and it is seriously quick too with no apparent downside to the lower torque in the diesel.

On a different note the fake exhaust speaker on the diesel M-Sport's makes me cringe, I would find it embarrassing to be driving a diesel and having it pretend to sound like a petrol V8! It's not quite as bad as the one Audi use though that's current day interpretation of the 80's tea tray rear wing on a 1.4 escort!
Are you UK based?

I do probably 10k miles a year with a real mix of driving. Traffic, town and city, motorway...

I've always doubted petrol engines in cars this size just due to the effort the engine needs to exert to move it.

Is the 40i really that good?
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      02-23-2020, 11:18 AM   #57
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Are you UK based?

I do probably 10k miles a year with a real mix of driving. Traffic, town and city, motorway...

I've always doubted petrol engines in cars this size just due to the effort the engine needs to exert to move it.

Is the 40i really that good?
Yes UK based and Iím with you on doubting petrol in a 2000kg vehicle! I held off for almost a year as I really wanted a 40d as I was super impressed with that engine in my F15. But in the end I had to change and the 30d just seemed a little low on the power side (although in real world situations the 30d seems close to the 40d) but more importantly I guess I thought it was time to see how petrol performs and I was keen to move to a smoother more refined power plant.

I do about 12K miles a year and Iím now about 5K on the clock and I couldnít be more pleased with it. I do a lot of urban driving but also lots of motorway and longer trips and while the fuel economy isnít as good as the 40d previously Iím more than happy to pay the premium, which is a little offset by lower £per litre of petrol over diesel.

Performance wise now itís run in Iím putting my foot down a fair bit and Iím really impressed, in sport plus and gearbox in sport itís so responsive I have to restrain myself
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Are you UK based?

I do probably 10k miles a year with a real mix of driving. Traffic, town and city, motorway...

I've always doubted petrol engines in cars this size just due to the effort the engine needs to exert to move it.

Is the 40i really that good?
Yes UK based and I'm with you on doubting petrol in a 2000kg vehicle! I held off for almost a year as I really wanted a 40d as I was super impressed with that engine in my F15. But in the end I had to change and the 30d just seemed a little low on the power side (although in real world situations the 30d seems close to the 40d) but more importantly I guess I thought it was time to see how petrol performs and I was keen to move to a smoother more refined power plant.

I do about 12K miles a year and I'm now about 5K on the clock and I couldn't be more pleased with it. I do a lot of urban driving but also lots of motorway and longer trips and while the fuel economy isn't as good as the 40d previously I'm more than happy to pay the premium, which is a little offset by lower £per litre of petrol over diesel.

Performance wise now it's run in I'm putting my foot down a fair bit and I'm really impressed, in sport plus and gearbox in sport it's so responsive I have to restrain myself
Hmmmm, is I'm really questioning my 30d choice.

What sort of real world mpg are you getting? What does a tank cost and what sort of miles you getting?

It's a bizarre one as I would have the hybrid 45e but the monthlies just don't allow for it. The miles I'll get from electric just won't offset the additional costs I reckon.

I'm worried that our government apply drastic measures on diesels, before finally applying these to petrols. That being said, it's hard to see 3 months out, never mind 4 years.
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Hmmmm, is I'm really questioning my 30d choice.

What sort of real world mpg are you getting? What does a tank cost and what sort of miles you getting?

It's a bizarre one as I would have the hybrid 45e but the monthlies just don't allow for it. The miles I'll get from electric just won't offset the additional costs I reckon.

I'm worried that our government apply drastic measures on diesels, before finally applying these to petrols. That being said, it's hard to see 3 months out, never mind 4 years.
To be honest I only work off the computer and get about 23-24 mpg round town and about 28mpg on motorways trips. I should say that I never use Eco Pro and have coded stop/start off, oh and wear a lead slipper to drive

The 45e did appeal to me too but I thought I’d give pure ICE another 3-4 year cycle and then I’m pretty sure it will be a PHEV or full EV for me.

Oh and you’re right about diesel measures coming in, I travel to and though Bristol often so am super pleased I’ve gone petrol as diesel private cars are being banned other than a few off peak times

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Hmmmm, is I'm really questioning my 30d choice.

What sort of real world mpg are you getting? What does a tank cost and what sort of miles you getting?

It's a bizarre one as I would have the hybrid 45e but the monthlies just don't allow for it. The miles I'll get from electric just won't offset the additional costs I reckon.

I'm worried that our government apply drastic measures on diesels, before finally applying these to petrols. That being said, it's hard to see 3 months out, never mind 4 years.
To be honest I only work off the computer and get about 23-24 mpg round town and about 28mpg on motorways trips. I should say that I never use Eco Pro and have coded stop/start off, oh and wear a lead slipper to drive

The 45e did appeal to me too but I thought I’d give pure ICE another 3-4 year cycle and then I’m pretty sure it will be a PHEV or full EV for me.

Oh and you’re right and diesel measures coming in, I travel to and though Bristol often so am super pleased I’ve gone petrol as diesel private cars are being banned other than a few off peak times
I take it the 40i moves the X5 with ease or is the lower torque noticeable compared to the 30d?

Just don't know what to do!!
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I take it the 40i moves the X5 with ease or is the lower torque noticeable compared to the 30d?

Just don't know what to do!!
Oh yes, completely. Itís not like the engine is racing or struggling to move the car at all. To be honest the only difference I notice to my 40d is that the 40i is smoother and quieter.

Donít forget that in the US, which is a major X5 market, there is no diesel option. There are tens of thousands of 40iís out there and no complaints that the engine is weak or unmatched to the chassis.
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Oh yes, completely. Itís not like the engine is racing or struggling to move the car at all. To be honest the only difference I notice to my 40d is that the 40i is smoother and quieter.

Donít forget that in the US, which is a major X5 market, there is no diesel option. There are tens of thousands of 40iís out there and no complaints that the engine is weak or unmatched to the chassis.
I can only echo what he says. The lower torque is offset by the higher revs. Power is just torque x revs, if you have less of one you use more of the other to make power. And these gearboxes and mapping is so good these days, the car knows what to do to get you the power when you want it. Hence there is an MPG penalty, but its great to drive in sport+. The natural exhaust sound (the X6 has the M sport exhaust as standard) is a bonus.

In comfort mode with a stab of the throttle it will still move, but in a lazy way. Like a luxo barge. But in sport+ with the shifter to the left, its incredibly responsive and reacts immediately. Its like a different car. Of course you have varying levels of 'sport' and 'sport individual' between those 2 extremes.

BMW have engineered the car very well IMO.
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Oh yes, completely. Itís not like the engine is racing or struggling to move the car at all. To be honest the only difference I notice to my 40d is that the 40i is smoother and quieter.

Donít forget that in the US, which is a major X5 market, there is no diesel option. There are tens of thousands of 40iís out there and no complaints that the engine is weak or unmatched to the chassis.
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I can only echo what he says. The lower torque is offset by the higher revs. Power is just torque x revs, if you have less of one you use more of the other to make power. And these gearboxes and mapping is so good these days, the car knows what to do to get you the power when you want it. Hence there is an MPG penalty, but its great to drive in sport+. The natural exhaust sound (the X6 has the M sport exhaust as standard) is a bonus.

In comfort mode with a stab of the throttle it will still move, but in a lazy way. Like a luxo barge. But in sport+ with the shifter to the left, its incredibly responsive and reacts immediately. Its like a different car. Of course you have varying levels of 'sport' and 'sport individual' between those 2 extremes.

BMW have engineered the car very well IMO.
Very comforting to know, thank you for your honest feedback.

If you were in my position, what would you do? Still go for the 40i?

I'm 'slightly' worried about the difference in real world running costs as I expected the 30d to be more efficient than my current RR Sport, but I'm now wondering if the 40i is going to be worse.
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Very comforting to know, thank you for your honest feedback.

If you were in my position, what would you do? Still go for the 40i?

I'm 'slightly' worried about the difference in real world running costs as I expected the 30d to be more efficient than my current RR Sport, but I'm now wondering if the 40i is going to be worse.
You do 10k a year, so assuming avg consumption of 40mpg for 10k @ £1.30 per litre, thats £1,477 in the diesel

For the petrol 23mpg @ £1.26 per litre, its £2,490.

So £1,013 difference per year, £84 per calendar month or £19 per week.

Now obviously your consumption could vary, but I think for a good mix of motorway, A roads and B roads I doubt you would be too far off these figures in either car.

I'm not telling you to get the 40i (even though thats what I would choose if it were me ), but if its what you prefer, I wouldn't let the running costs be the decider when you only do 10k.

Decent comparison video here:


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You do 10k a year, so assuming avg consumption of 40mpg for 10k @ £1.30 per litre, thats £1,477 in the diesel

For the petrol 23mpg @ £1.26 per litre, its £2,490.

So £1,013 difference per year, £84 per calendar month or £19 per week.

Now obviously your consumption could vary, but I think for a good mix of motorway, A roads and B roads I doubt you would be too far off these figures in either car.

I'm not telling you to get the 40i (even though thats what I would choose if it were me ), but if its what you prefer, I wouldn't let the running costs be the decider when you only do 10k.

Decent comparison video here:

Agree with this, itís how I decided to go 40i. Basically look at the economic situation and how it works for you. For me those extra £ís on petrol per week are well worth it and given my time again it would be the same decision 100% but actually more so given I now have experience of a 40i on the road. So yes, ignore the technical and decide if you can carry the extra fuel bill.

Oh and just give a bit of a thought to urban clean air policy where you live and drive. Itís not that I agree with the new proposed diesel ban in Bristol because I think it shouldnít be a blanket ban, but the reality is I donít need to care as Iím in the petrol world and thatís a relief I have some pretty irritated friends who will be effected and are stuck with their cars for a while.
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I drive a 50d and love it. I also have an E46M3 and can confirm that on a spirited run there really isnít much between them!
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