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      01-15-2020, 05:13 PM   #1
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Naturally aspirated flat sixes return to the Porsche 718 in new GTS 4.0 models

Porsche is finally returning the glorious wailing flat-six engines to the Boxster and Cayman in a non GT4/Spyder model.

The new GTS 4.0 trim includes a 4.0L NA Flat-6, derived from the 992 3.0L Flat-6, with 394 horsepower and 309 lb-ft of torque and a 7800-rpm redline paired exclusively to a 6-speed manual and standard Sport-Chrono Package.

Of course it will also have the typical Porsche tax likely starting around the high 80's and likely fully optioned well over 100.

This should likely sooth over some of the controversy regarding the current Flat-4 engines the Boxster and Cayman use, and possibly help resurrect some sales as the current generation has been seeing quite a decline.

Full article -> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-gts-flat-six/
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I considered a base Cayman instead of the M2c when i was shopping. I admit that the fact that it's a 4-banger now gave me pause. Sounds like that won't be changing any time soon, but the switch to 4-cylinders seemed like a mistake for them. Hard to justify dropping 60k on a sports car that shares a cylinder count/hp figure with a 25k mustang. I'm glad buyers at the top of the range wont have to deal with them anymore.
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I considered a base Cayman instead of the M2c when i was shopping. I admit that the fact that it's a 4-banger now gave me pause. Sounds like that won't be changing any time soon, but the switch to 4-cylinders seemed like a mistake for them. Hard to justify dropping 60k on a sports car that shares a cylinder count/hp figure with a 25k mustang. I'm glad buyers at the top of the range wont have to deal with them anymore.
Looks like they're trying to aim the GTS 4.0 towards the Porsche enthusiasts who swore off the Cayman/Boxster because of the 4 cylinder.
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A lot of car makers seem to be still sticking ICE engines into their cars and still sinking R&D into ICE, and it's not just Porsche. I'm going to use an expression I've used when talking to some women in the past: "I'm getting mixed signals".
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Certainly more appealing now. It wouldn't surprise me to see them replace the four bangers in the base models with an EV setup in the near future. At least they'd be faster and sound better. Leave the 6 for the enthusiasts, give the base models even more torque.
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      01-15-2020, 08:26 PM   #7
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A lot of car makers seem to be still sticking ICE engines into their cars and still sinking R&D into ICE...
What R&D? It’s essentially the same engine they use in the 911’s just without turbochargers.

They’re just sharing parts across models. Usually that’s lame but in this case it’s to our advantage (unless you like 4 bangers in a Porsche).
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RIP current 718 GTS resale value. But great news.
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If it's only roughly $10k less than a gt4 seems like a no brainer to just get the gt4.
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If it's only roughly $10k less than a gt4 seems like a no brainer to just get the gt4.
Aren't allocations for Porsche GT cars and Spyders more difficult?

I remember when the GT3 touring came out everyone on Rennlist was freaking out trying to get their spot.
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If it's only roughly $10k less than a gt4 seems like a no brainer to just get the gt4.
GTS makes a lot more sense for a daily driver though. GT4 is great as a track toy, but the ride is a bit on the punishing side.
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Nice that there is still a car maker out there listening to what people want, willing to try different things, and even changing directions when they need to.

Doubt we'd ever see BMW do that, too many bean counters making decisions.

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RIP current 718 GTS resale value. But great news.
If you hold onto cars, I think the opposite could be true. There won’t be very many of them out there.

Personally, I never worried about the cylinder count of any car I bought. I care more of it’s capabilities. I am very happy with my base 718 Boxster. However, if this causes four cylinder 718 prices to drop, I will probably pick up a Cayman as a companion.
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I considered a base Cayman instead of the M2c when i was shopping. I admit that the fact that it's a 4-banger now gave me pause. Sounds like that won't be changing any time soon, but the switch to 4-cylinders seemed like a mistake for them. Hard to justify dropping 60k on a sports car that shares a cylinder count/hp figure with a 25k mustang. I'm glad buyers at the top of the range wont have to deal with them anymore.
Same. Drove the 718 in both regular and S trim. Loved the chassis but that motor just didn't tickle my fancy. Supremely capable but couldn't shake the fact that it was a 4 cylinder and sounded like a subaru in lower RPMs. It was kind of disappointing considering how much I liked the sound in the older 981 Caymans. Truth be told, as much as I love my M2C, a 6 cylinder 718 might have been enough for me to give Porsche my money instead.
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Truth be told, as much as I love my M2C, a 6 cylinder 718 might have been enough for me to give Porsche my money instead.
Not gonna lie, feeling the same way over here. My father in law transferred the end of his lease on his 718 Boxster to me, and it was my first experience owning a Porsche, and I loved it. The motor is definitely not my favorite, being one of the reasons I ultimately went with the M2C (that and it was cheaper), but I do miss the drop top experience and I loved how fun and light the Boxster is, and now that the flat six is coming back, although at a price, I'll have to think about it in a year or two.
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Just glad I got one the last of the flat six Cayman S

The 718 GTS will be a detuned 4.0, manual only car from now on. Good news if you want to score a deal on the outgoing four cylinder GTS. Not good news if you just plunked down $100k on one a month ago.
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What R&D? It’s essentially the same engine they use in the 911’s just without turbochargers.

They’re just sharing parts across models. Usually that’s lame but in this case it’s to our advantage (unless you like 4 bangers in a Porsche).
"still sinking R&D into ICE, and it's not just Porsche", other manufactures are still making improvements on ICE, just look at the HP outputs that come out every model year. I'm just musing BTW, if the EV was taking the world by storm then you'd think that EV's would be filling the floor in every showroom and you'd be hard pressed to find an ICE on the lot.
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Lovely to see nasp engines still available.

I thought turbo was for emissions but presumably they can still hit those targets without a turbo.
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Lovely to see nasp engines still available.

I thought turbo was for emissions but presumably they can still hit those targets without a turbo.
I think it's great to have options and awesome Porsche does respond to customer feedback. I too thought the four cylinder was for emissions, so now they offer a flat six again with even worse fuel economy. But honestly the flat six is a great engine especially if you like to drive in the upper RPMs all day long.
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Oo now tough decisions. 997.2 GTS or 718.2 GTS?
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Oo now tough decisions. 997.2 GTS or 718.2 GTS?
If you don't need the goofball rear seat or the slightly better snow capabilities, I'd do the 982 all day. I do however need the rear seat and find the 997.2 much preferable to the 991.
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If you don't need the goofball rear seat or the slightly better snow capabilities, I'd do the 982 all day. I do however need the rear seat and find the 997.2 much preferable to the 991.
This is exactly what I mean. 997.2 is amazing. Thought about getting one earlier this year but bruh, I don't have space for 3 cars.
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