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      01-23-2020, 06:59 AM   #67
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This last election was a career politician vs someone known best on the national stage as saying "you're fired". I'm sick of career politicians and believe we need a whole lot more of "you're fired".
I was happy to open a Twitter account to get the President's thoughts straight from him. That lasted about five minutes. What the??? What kind of President calls people names on a public forum?
Even so, I'd still rather have a President that calls people names than have a President that abandons their own ambassadors. Lesser of two evils type of thing.
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Yes, it was - and what did I say? Did I mention anything about your thread or your poll?

No.
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Yes, it was - and what did I say? Did I mention anything about your thread or your poll?

No.
In anglos defense, binary/black & white thinking is certainly the mental path of least resistance
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No he isn't doing a good job. 2 things come to mind.

1) Ballooning deficit. Republicans are running up the deficit, under his direction.

2) The dishonesty from his administration. He simply can not tell the truth.
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In anglos defense, binary/black & white thinking is certainly the mental path of least resistance
I know kinda like genders...
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Sumbmwguy^largest deficit as a percentage of GDP in non-war/non-recessionary times. Gotta juice them GDP #’s to 2015 levels!
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Sumbmwguy^largest deficit as a percentage of GDP in non-war/non-recessionary times. Gotta juice them GDP #’s to 2015 levels!
But the economy is great! Maybe the best ever. Many people are saying that.

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Some on the right (and probably on this board) were chanting recession right up to the time Obama left office. Almost like they were hoping for one
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Another way to look at it. It is still a fact that Obama is the only president to never have a year over 3% GDP growth.

https://www.politifact.com/illinois/...-growth-obama/
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Another way to look at it. It is still a fact that Obama is the only president to never have a year over 3% GDP growth.

https://www.politifact.com/illinois/...-growth-obama/
Well, that tears it! I'm definitely not voting for Obama in November.

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Another way to look at it. It is still a fact that Obama is the only president to never have a year over 3% GDP growth.

https://www.politifact.com/illinois/...-growth-obama/
He also served during what has become the longest ever economic expansion in US history

Also, despite massive government spending, regulatory reform and significant tax cuts trump still hasn’t seen 3% GDP growth.
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Well, that tears it! I'm definitely not voting for Obama in November.

If Bloomberg wins, he'll figure out a way to run for a third time. (The NY'ers will get that)
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If Bloomberg wins, he'll figure out a way to run for a third time. (The NY'ers will get that)
And change it back to two terms after he leaves office. Must be nice

Say what you will, but he was a good mayor for the city. Went a little off the rails towards the end but the city was clean and safe. He did crack me up when he would repeat his press conferences in Spanish instead of having someone do it. It made me feel better about my sorry attempts at Spanish.

And now we have Bozo.
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Putting a pile of crap in a Tiffany's Box and a nice bow doesn't change the fact that it's a pile of crap. Stop trying to sell everyone on the economic prowess of President Obama. Revisionist history at it's best.

Ali Meyer - JANUARY 9, 2017 4:59 AM
Since President Barack Obama took office in January 2009, the number of employed Americans increased by 9.9 million, but there were 14.6 million more who left the labor force, according to the latest numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

From January 2009 through December 2016, there were 9,959,000 more Americans 16 years and over who became employed. In that same time frame, there were 14,573,000 more Americans 16 years and over who were not in the labor force, which means they did not have a job or look for one in the past four weeks.

The labor force participation rate, which measures the percentage of the population that participated in the labor force by either having a job or looking for one, declined for all Americans during Obama's time in office from 65.7 percent to 62.7 percent. In September 2015, the participation dipped to 62.4 percent—the lowest level seen in recent times since 1977.


During Obama's time in office, the unemployment rate declined from 7.8 percent to 4.7 percent. This measure counts those who do not have a job but looked for work in the past month. It does not account for those who have been discouraged and stopped looking for work.

"If you, a family member, or anyone is unemployed and has subsequently given up on finding a job—if you are so hopelessly out of work that you've stopped looking over the past four weeks—the Department of Labor doesn't count you as unemployed," said Jim Clifton, who is chairman and CEO of Gallup. "The official rate is misleading."

This is why some point to the U-6 measure, or what some call the "real" unemployment rate, which includes those who may have been discouraged, as a better measurement. When Obama took office in January 2009, that rate stood at 14.2 percent, and in December 2016 it fell to 9.2 percent.


"There are systematic problems in the U.S. job market that aren't clearly visible from looking at the general unemployment numbers," said Alfredo Ortiz, president and CEO of the Job Creators Network. "By reducing the regulatory burden placed on small business job creators the labor force participation can return to healthy levels."

During Obama's time in office, women, minorities, and veterans have also left the work force.

From January 2009 to December 2016, there were only 4,311,000 women 16 years and over who became employed, while 7,756,000 left the labor force. The labor force participation rate for women declined from 59.4 percent to 56.7 percent.

For black individuals, the labor force participation rate declined from 63.2 percent in January 2009 to 61.8 percent in December 2016. There were 2,811,000 more black individuals who were employed during Obama's time in office, and 1,949,000 left the labor force.

Employment for veterans declined under the Obama administration. There were 11,496,000 veterans 18 years and over who were employed when Obama took office, which declined to 10,009,000 in December 2016. There were also 384,000 more veterans who left the labor force since Obama took office.
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This last election was a career politician vs someone known best on the national stage as saying "you're fired". I'm sick of career politicians and believe we need a whole lot more of "you're fired".
I was happy to open a Twitter account to get the President's thoughts straight from him. That lasted about five minutes. What the??? What kind of President calls people names on a public forum?
Even so, I'd still rather have a President that calls people names than have a President that abandons their own ambassadors. Lesser of two evils type of thing.
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Putting a pile of crap in a Tiffany's Box and a nice bow doesn't change the fact that it's a pile of crap. Stop trying to sell everyone on the economic prowess of President Obama. Revisionist history at it's best.

Ali Meyer - JANUARY 9, 2017 4:59 AM
Since President Barack Obama took office in January 2009, the number of employed Americans increased by 9.9 million, but there were 14.6 million more who left the labor force, according to the latest numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

From January 2009 through December 2016, there were 9,959,000 more Americans 16 years and over who became employed. In that same time frame, there were 14,573,000 more Americans 16 years and over who were not in the labor force, which means they did not have a job or look for one in the past four weeks.

The labor force participation rate, which measures the percentage of the population that participated in the labor force by either having a job or looking for one, declined for all Americans during Obama's time in office from 65.7 percent to 62.7 percent. In September 2015, the participation dipped to 62.4 percent—the lowest level seen in recent times since 1977.


During Obama's time in office, the unemployment rate declined from 7.8 percent to 4.7 percent. This measure counts those who do not have a job but looked for work in the past month. It does not account for those who have been discouraged and stopped looking for work.

"If you, a family member, or anyone is unemployed and has subsequently given up on finding a job—if you are so hopelessly out of work that you've stopped looking over the past four weeks—the Department of Labor doesn't count you as unemployed," said Jim Clifton, who is chairman and CEO of Gallup. "The official rate is misleading."

This is why some point to the U-6 measure, or what some call the "real" unemployment rate, which includes those who may have been discouraged, as a better measurement. When Obama took office in January 2009, that rate stood at 14.2 percent, and in December 2016 it fell to 9.2 percent.


"There are systematic problems in the U.S. job market that aren't clearly visible from looking at the general unemployment numbers," said Alfredo Ortiz, president and CEO of the Job Creators Network. "By reducing the regulatory burden placed on small business job creators the labor force participation can return to healthy levels."

During Obama's time in office, women, minorities, and veterans have also left the work force.

From January 2009 to December 2016, there were only 4,311,000 women 16 years and over who became employed, while 7,756,000 left the labor force. The labor force participation rate for women declined from 59.4 percent to 56.7 percent.

For black individuals, the labor force participation rate declined from 63.2 percent in January 2009 to 61.8 percent in December 2016. There were 2,811,000 more black individuals who were employed during Obama's time in office, and 1,949,000 left the labor force.

Employment for veterans declined under the Obama administration. There were 11,496,000 veterans 18 years and over who were employed when Obama took office, which declined to 10,009,000 in December 2016. There were also 384,000 more veterans who left the labor force since Obama took office.
Its early, but I nominate this for the most unintentionally ironic post of the day.

If you claim that the charts (charts!) above are revisionist history, what exactly is it that you posted?

In the spirit of charting, I'll post up one that should have been included with yours:



Also, in regards to the LFPR (labor force participation rate)...



U1-U6 has been on a steady decline for a long time, and the LFPR has been pretty stable since the bottoming out occurred. A note on that, the bottoming out of the LFPR started in 2000 and the single largest driving factor was demographics. Demographics is not because of, or in spite of any POTUS.
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Its early, but I nominate this for the most unintentionally ironic post of the day.

If you claim that the charts (charts!) above are revisionist history, what exactly is it that you posted?

In the spirit of charting, I'll post up one that should have been included with yours:



Also, in regards to the LFPR (labor force participation rate)...



U1-U6 has been on a steady decline for a long time, and the LFPR has been pretty stable since the bottoming out occurred. A note on that, the bottoming out of the LFPR started in 2000 and the single largest driving factor was demographics. Demographics is not because of, or in spite of any POTUS.
I am claiming your interpretation and STATEMENT surrounding the charts is revisionist history. Do try to keep up.
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I am claiming your interpretation and STATEMENT surrounding the charts is revisionist history. Do try to keep up.
What statement? That some were saying the economy was in the tank leading up to January 2017? Stop evading, kind sir.
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Putting a pile of crap in a Tiffany's Box and a nice bow doesn't change the fact that it's a pile of crap. Stop trying to sell everyone on the economic prowess of President Obama. Revisionist history at it's best.

Interesting that's you're takeaway. I was actually posting about Bush vs Trump.

Telling that was your takeaway though.

But since you brought it up, why would business insider be revising history?
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What statement? That some were saying the economy was in the tank leading up to January 2017? Stop evading, kind sir.
The laughing icon. You jumped in on a comment from another person, kind sir.

And to follow up on your recession talk from the right, that is more the purview of the left as witnessed here:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/stev...ession-economy

https://dailyreckoning.com/100-chanc...ecession-2017/

https://www.lombardiletter.com/upcom...ion-2017/7989/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/yuwahed.../#eff0db557e12

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/tr...on-66161221616

There has been a call from the media and their sources for recession since the election. No recession.
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Have been hearing from a lot of people saying there is a recession coming, stock market is going to crash (they sell their shares), everyone will lose their job, house market will die, what goes up must come down, etc...the last 2 years. Sorry but Trump really fails you if you are looking for a recession or if you are not looking to expand your earnings.
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