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X5 VS the Cayenne coupe

Hey guys.
I am planning on ordering a new car and have been looking into the both of them.
I really like the x5 but have been also looking at the cayenne coupe.
Whats your thought on that?
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Hey guys.
I am planning on ordering a new car and have been looking into the both of them.
I really like the x5 but have been also looking at the cayenne coupe.
Whats your thought on that?
I looked at both and it was an easy choice for me personally, and for the wife and young adult kiddos
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I looked at both and it was an easy choice for me personally, and for the wife and young adult kiddos
why?
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Speed, power and performance = Porsche. Cayenne is like a sports sedan on steroids.

Space, and technology = bmw. X5 is more like a laptop on wheels. It's like taking a 5 series sedan and pumping up the roof to make a higher ceiling.
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Speed, power and performance = Porsche. Cayenne is like a sports sedan on steroids.

Space, and technology = bmw. X5 is more like a laptop on wheels. It's like taking a 5 series sedan and pumping up the roof to make a higher ceiling.
Your joking right?? You need to test drive a M50i. This recommendation coming from 30 years of 911 ownership.
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Porsche wonít give you 10% off MSRP .... 5000 different options... adding them gets very $$.. BMW is faster and more tech. The Mercedes IMO is the only other SUV I would compare it to.
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Porsche won’t give you 10% off MSRP .... 5000 different options... adding them gets very $$.. BMW is faster and more tech. The Mercedes IMO is the only other SUV I would compare it to.
there is the audi q5 or q7, and a couple of others. but for mid size SUV, yes it's basically an x5 or Porsche if you want sporty, before you hit the Bentley Bentayga price range.
Mercedes is all interior luxury and floating feeling. the AMG adds some sport, but not as much sporty as BMW or Porshe.
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go drive an m50i with DHP, put it in sports/sport plus. it's outstanding and handles like a sedan but with tech and space. I love driving mine every chance I get.
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Hey guys.
I am planning on ordering a new car and have been looking into the both of them.
I really like the x5 but have been also looking at the cayenne coupe.
Whats your thought on that?
Test drove both ('19 50i) and have a Cayenne E Hybrid on order. Cayenne drove much better, and 455hp returning 30mpg w/ the E Hybrid is icing on the cake. It is costing me about $20k more than a comparable M50i, but again, it drove that much better. Last thought, the G05 has grown quite a bit from my F15 and size wise, the Cayenne is closer to what I prefer.
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Hey guys.
I am planning on ordering a new car and have been looking into the both of them.
I really like the x5 but have been also looking at the cayenne coupe.
Whats your thought on that?
Test drove both ('19 50i) and have a Cayenne E Hybrid on order. Cayenne drove much better, and 455hp returning 30mpg w/ the E Hybrid is icing on the cake. It is costing me about $20k more than a comparable M50i, but again, it drove that much better. Last thought, the G05 has grown quite a bit from my F15 and size wise, the Cayenne is closer to what I prefer.
455 hp with 30 mpg is pretty awesome.
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thats impressive. What about the 45e vs the Cayenne coupe hybrid?
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I'd compare the X5 to the MB GLE, Land Rover and Q7 - I think they're a similar class of vehicle, especially on the Technology side.

Depends on what you're looking for?

I personally think the Cayenne is more focused on Sports Performance and is more in the category of a "Sport Car" - rather than aspiring to be a luxury SUV with comfort and technology in mind. I think Porshe are trying to position it in the market as the "911" of SUVs. I am not sure how much DNA is shares with the 911 - but I bet that's what Porshe are trying to instill in the mind of potential buyers.

The others I mentioned above aspire to be Luxury SUVs, and as some have mentioned the Technology in the BMW and MB GLE seem to be light years ahead of the Porshe.
Also, for a family vacation, long country/highway drives, or hauling a trailer-home or boat - I think the X5 class; including the others I have mentioned above, is better suited to families. The comfort for passengers is number #1 consideration - and you can tell they've been designed that way.

I dont see many Cayennes towing anything, or more than a couple of hundered kms out of cities, so that says something....

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I looked at both and it was an easy choice for me personally, and for the wife and young adult kiddos
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We looked at comfort and size and the comfort seats were the big factor that made the X5 the winner. Also, with the young adults (19&21) we need enough space in the second row, then occasionally add a 110 lbs dog to the trunk....
we have a loaded 40i, not as fast as the Porsche but like indicated, you can at some point buy a reasonably priced car for the difference in price with comparable tech.
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A base Porsche Cayenne is a slower than a base X5 40i and the Cayenne S is the same performance as the base X5 40i. BMW is in fact a superior high performance SUV model for model across the entire line.

Porsche has cleverly marked their SUV’s to infer Porsche 911 performance some how transfers into their SUV line. Funny enough the Cayenne was a direct and late counter measure to compete in a already established performance SUV market created by BMW with the X5. We in PCA were given first test drive at several events to get our opinion. Let’s just say the feedback with a Porsche SUV to the Porsche market was “not good”. So Porsche had to go outside their Porsche market that typically buys their sports cars and draw in a different demographic so this is when the total B.S “Live the Porsche lifestyle” marketing campaign started for the Cayenne and eventually the Macan. People that didn’t know what owning a 911 was all about believed the hype. Typically people that just wanted the cachet of the Porsche crest but didn’t care what hood the crest was on.

Early Porsche owners grew to detest the Cayenne more for its ridiculous marketing campaigns that crapped on the legacy of the 911 that took decades to establish. I think if Porsche didn’t so blatantly try to connect the two vehicles that had nothing in common, and market the Cayenne more honestly, there wouldn’t have been such a push back. For years Porsche dealers never were allowed to position the Cayenne next to a 911 in the show room. This was Porsche dealer policy. Even today you will still see this practice done by many dealers.

Me personally, I tried to like the Cayenne Turbo and took several test drives. There were several reasons I didn’t care for its interior design but the exterior design still trying to look like a raised 911 rubbed me wrong to a point I would never be able to get past it. It’s not a attractive SUV design with odd effeminate curves. The 911 design still doesn’t translate well to anything other than a sports car. A turtle with wings and calling it a bird doesn’t make a attractive bird.

If you can get past the looks of the Panamera, that’s the luxury vehicle you should buy from Porsche if your not buying a sports car.

(This perspective coming from 30 years of 911 ownership, and PCA concourse judge). I am very well in touch with the pulse of Porsche and their owners. It is what it is.

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A base Porsche Cayenne is a slower than a base X5 40i and the Cayenne S is the same performance as the base X5 40i. BMW is in fact a superior high performance SUV model for model across the entire line.

Porsche has cleverly marked their SUVís to infer Porsche 911 performance some how transfers into their SUV line. Funny enough the Cayenne was a direct and late counter measure to compete in a already established performance SUV market created by BMW with the X5. We in PCA were given first test drive at several events to get our opinion. Letís just say the feedback with a Porsche SUV to the Porsche market was ďnot goodĒ. So Porsche had to go outside their Porsche market that typically buys their sports cars and draw in a different demographic so this is when the total B.S ďLive the Porsche lifestyleĒ marketing campaign started for the Cayenne and eventually the Macan. People that didnít know what owning a 911 was all about believed the hype. Typically people that just wanted the cachet of the Porsche crest but didnít care what hood the crest was on.

Early Porsche owners grew to detest the Cayenne more for its ridiculous marketing campaigns that crapped on the legacy of the 911 that took decades to establish. I think if Porsche didnít so blatantly try to connect the two vehicles that had nothing in common, and market the Cayenne more honestly, there wouldnít have been such a push back. For years Porsche dealers never were allowed to position the Cayenne next to a 911 in the show room. This was Porsche dealer policy. Even today you will still see this practice done by many dealers.

Me personally, I tried to like the Cayenne Turbo and took several test drives. There were several reasons I didnít care for its interior design but the exterior design still trying to look like a raised 911 rubbed me wrong to a point I would never be able to get past it. Itís not a attractive SUV design with odd effeminate curves. The 911 design still doesnít translate well to anything other than a sports car. A turtle with wings and calling it a bird doesnít make a attractive bird.

If you can get past the looks of the Panamera, thatís the luxury vehicle you should buy from Porsche if your not buying a sports car.

(This perspective coming from 30 years of 911 ownership, and PCA concourse judge). I am very well in touch with the pulse of Porsche and their owners. It is what it is.
The base Cayenne and the 40i are almost identical in performance. Acceleration of the X5 slightly better until 100mph, then the Porsche pulls ahead. Handling (at the limit) goes to the Cayenne. The Cayenne S performance is much closer to the 50i.
Looks are personal preference. I think the Cayenne design is superior to any mid-size SUV, and I think the Porsche design does translate successfully to their SUVs. I think my Macan looked better than the X3, and I prefer the new Cayenne design to my 2019 X5.
I saw a bit of "attitude" toward the SUV owners while in the PCA...how dare they compromise the sports cars. What they fail to recognize or admit is that the Cayenne and Macan allow Porsche to continue to make and improve their sports cars. And the new Cayenne I think is the best ever...better style and decent performance on the entry "base". That's why the new Cayenne sales are up close to 80%. I'm sure BMW would have liked that sales increase on the new G05.
That said, I chose the X5 over the Cayenne last May, and no regrets. I've seen the X5 reliability plummet lately, but mine has been trouble-free. It's quiet, solid, has great interior and tech, and the 3.0 inline with the ZF 8-speed is a stellar performer. I think the Cayenne looks better, and their 18-way seats were better, but not worth (to me) an additional $15-20K. (And I do miss the great sound of those quad exhausts on my Macan).
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A base Porsche Cayenne is a slower than a base X5 40i and the Cayenne S is the same performance as the base X5 40i. BMW is in fact a superior high performance SUV model for model across the entire line.
Well said, Mystro.

One more argument - to get the same performance as X5 M50 - one has to get Cayenne Turbo.

On pricing forum we see people paying $850- $1000 a month for a loaded X5 M50 leases.

Porshe Turo is no less than $3600 a month - NO thank you.
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Well said, Mystro.

One more argument - to get the same performance as X5 M50 - one has to get Cayenne Turbo.

On pricing forum we see people paying $850- $1000 a month for a loaded X5 M50 leases.

Porshe Turo is no less than $3600 a month - NO thank you.
Absolutely. You have to compare a loaded up Cayenne Turbo to the M50i. Driving them both it was very obvious. The Cayenne S is not a performance match at all to the 50i. It’s anemic exhaust note is disappointing and can’t hide the displacement of its 2.9L motor of the Cayenne S. It is what it is. Most reviewers spell it out and recommend buying the base Cayenne and pass on the Cayenne S as the difference isn’t noticeable enough. When the Cayenne GTS had its V8, was a different animal from the base model.

The new X5M is game over and one step further than the Cayenne Turbo S.
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thats impressive. What about the 45e vs the Cayenne coupe hybrid?
45e isn't available yet in the US. My SA keeps sending me updates, but even he has no idea when BMWNA will release it. I think the 45e is at 394hp, and has a larger battery pack than the Cayenne E Hybrid. I did drive a 745e and the system is smooth and should translate over to the G05 pretty well. After driving the Cayenne against the V8 G05 though, there is no way the 45e will handle near as well. Ultimately you should test drive one of each, hopefully optioned as close to what you want. I had pretty much just assumed the G05 would be my next vehicle, and fourth BMW, but the test drives changed my mind.
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Well. Does the x6 drive better than the x5?
Could it be closer to the cayenne coupe?
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Well. Does the x6 drive better than the x5?
Could it be closer to the cayenne coupe?
What exactly is wrong with the way the X5 drives?

Having had a 2012 X5 50i for the last four years I didn't particularly like the steering feel or power delivery of the new 40i, but the '19 50i M Sport and '20 M50i were a different story with heavier steering and immediate torque. I don't have any complaints about the way the 50i drives but then again I have the DHP with adaptive suspension, active steering, active roll stabilization, etc.
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