[rmorin1249]

Originally Posted by slicky

Tire Rack's review of the Scorpion Verde is from 2013 and 10 years ago, they finished last out of 4 tires. They are horrible obsoleted and atrociously expensive tires. Read user reviews. They should have put a bullet in them a decade ago.

The Scorpion AS 3+ is the latest version. Gets excellent ratings and mostly good reviews.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes

[slicky]

Originally Posted by rmorin1249

The Scorpion AS 3+ is the latest version. Gets excellent ratings and mostly good reviews.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes

Sorry, my mistake. I missed that the OP was looking for 20" tires. Sky is the limit with these. There is nothing for 21s.

[cptcolo]

Originally Posted by floridaman100

I have been doing a ton of research and it seems that the Cross Climate 2 has a lot of negative feedback especially when it comes to gas mileage. Then you look at other options and they have negative feedback just not as bad as the Cross climates.

OP, I doubt you would really notice a significant gas mileage change by using the Michelin CrossClimiate2 (I certainly have not). I would also much rather have good grip than save a little on gas mileage (especially since I drive my 45e in electric mode most of the time).

Overall the Michelin CrossClimate2 is an excellent tire, gets very good tread life (~45k in real world use), gets great snow / ice traction for an AS tire, and gets pretty good grip in the wet and dry for an AS tire. It does make a bit of a whirrling sound sometimes, but you can't really notice it and I don't don't mind it at all, but some people don't like it. The sound proofing on the X5 is pretty good though compared to some other cars.

However, I see that you are in Florida. I doubt you see much ice, snow, or temperatures below 45F. This means I think that you could run a summer tire. Summer tires typically don't get as good of thread life, but their dry / wet performance can be incredible compared to all season tires. I have not tried them personally yet, but I would look at the Michelin Pilot Sport 5 max performance summer tires. They were released in mid 2022, so pretty new tire. The dry and wet grip is suppose to be incredible. They do make the 20" tires for the X5. I am planning on getting some installed on my car in the next month to use in Arizona. Firestone carries them, but they said they have to order them. I will still use the Michelin CrossCLimate2 in the in the winter time, just because I take frequent ski trips back to Colorado. The Pilot Sport 5 should take your car's sportiness to a whole another level.

[cptcolo]

Costco also has the 20" Pilot Sport 5 tire (275/45ZR20/XL) available.

They quoted me $1213.92 total for installation of all 4 tires and disposal of old tires (includes all taxes / fees) and includes road hazard. The tires themselves come with a 30,000 mile tread warranty. I will have installed in early May and will report back on their performance on my 2023 X5 45e.

Here is some good information about the tire as it compares to the well known Michelin Pilot Sport 4S:
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/...ot-Sport-5.htm

Also here is a YouTube video road testing it against the Pilot Sport 4S:

[Mixitt]

Originally Posted by rmorin1249

The Scorpion AS 3+ is the latest version. Gets excellent ratings and mostly good reviews.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes

Got rid of the original Bridgestone run flats and went with this tire. Wow, what a difference! Road noise dropped like a rock even on rough surfaces, handling is greatly improved, ride is more "spacious".

I just love these Pirelli's.

[Kgerry59]

I put Michelin Cross Climate 2 on my GLE and quite liked them. I hated the Pirellis Scorpions it came with. I will likely put them on the X5 when the Bridgestone Alenzas need replacing.

[Mixitt]

Originally Posted by Kgerry59

I put Michelin Cross Climate 2 on my GLE and quite liked them. I hated the Pirellis it came with. I will likely put them on the X5 when the Bridgestone Alenzas need replacing.

What Pirelli models? I've never experienced such a fine ride as the Scorpion AS Plus 3. Add the 70K warranty and it's a no brainer. I might add we rarely have snow/ice where I live so All Season is perfect.

[Crusje]

I got the new pirelli weatheractive,a cc2 competitor, on my Giulia. It's kinda noisy but I need the good winter traction in the northeast. I'll drive my fun car in the summer. The Bridgestone RFTs bubbled up twice in 2 months! Ridiculous.

What do people do after replacing with non RFT tires for road trips? Carry a spare? Hope to get towed to a tire place? I might want to switch the x5 tires to cc2 since the OEM was sliding last winter on icy slush but it's our road trip car.

[Marty in NY]

Originally Posted by Crusje

What do people do after replacing with non RFT tires for road trips? Carry a spare? Hope to get towed to a tire place?

I bought a spare and all the tools to repair, plug, replace a tire and stuffed it all under the rear cargo floor.

[Golfnatic]

I got the Scorpion AS 3+ about 5k miles ago and it's night and day over runflats and much quieter than the non runflats that I had before. Excellent tire and great in dry or wet conditions. I was lucky enough to option the spare.

[Wardman]

Is it true that RFT can be plugged now, you just have to find a dealer to do it and catch the hole before many miles on them?

[Marty in NY]

Originally Posted by Wardman

Is it true that RFT can be plugged now, you just have to find a dealer to do it and catch the hole before many miles on them?

This is the answer.. .. it depends. However, it's the same answer for a non run flat too. Sidewall issues cannot be fixed on either one and as far as tread issues goes, that depends too. Tread holes, round holes, can be patched from the inside and plugged on both. You're right in that some places simply don't want anything to do with it and will tell you to buy a new tire. I have plugged both types with complete success myself.

[Wardman]

Originally Posted by Marty in NY

This is the answer.. .. it depends. However, it's the same answer for a non run flat too. Sidewall issues cannot be fixed on either one and as far as tread issues goes, that depends too. Tread holes, round holes, can be patched from the inside and plugged on both. You're right in that some places simply don't want anything to do with it and will tell you to buy a new tire. I have plugged both types with complete success myself.

My first set were on a 535GT, and I thought they had more plastic in the sidewalls, so they have evolved as well. None of my local shops will plug though. So shopping for my next Non-RFT.

Thx!

[Marty in NY]

Originally Posted by Wardman

My first set were on a 535GT, and I thought they had more plastic in the sidewalls, so they have evolved as well. None of my local shops will plug though. So shopping for my next Non-RFT.

Thx!

Run flats have come a long way since BMW first started putting them on their cars. The early ones weren't very good, harsh ride, noisy and very expensive. I replaced them with non run flats on a 2011 X3 I had but the ones on my X5 are actually pretty decent, still noisier that I would like but having run flats PLUS a spare tire is as good as it gets.

Today's run flat options are more plentiful unless you have 22's. Plugging a run flat is exactly the same as plugging a non run flat. The hard part is to patch it from the inside, you probably need a shop to do that but I'll let you in on a little secret.. .. of all the tires I've plugged myself over the years I never put a patch on the inside and never had an issue with the plug.

[Wardman]

Originally Posted by Marty in NY

Run flats have come a long way since BMW first started putting them on their cars. The early ones weren't very good, harsh ride, noisy and very expensive. I replaced them with non run flats on a 2011 X3 I had but the ones on my X5 are actually pretty decent, still noisier that I would like but having run flats PLUS a spare tire is as good as it gets.

Today's run flat options are more plentiful unless you have 22's. Plugging a run flat is exactly the same as plugging a non run flat. The hard part is to patch it from the inside, you probably need a shop to do that but I'll let you in on a little secret.. .. of all the tires I've plugged myself over the years I never put a patch on the inside and never had an issue with the plug.

Agree, thx!

[mnx5er]

Originally Posted by Marty in NY

Run flats have come a long way since BMW first started putting them on their cars. The early ones weren't very good, harsh ride, noisy and very expensive. I replaced them with non run flats on a 2011 X3 I had but the ones on my X5 are actually pretty decent, still noisier that I would like but having run flats PLUS a spare tire is as good as it gets.

Today's run flat options are more plentiful unless you have 22's. Plugging a run flat is exactly the same as plugging a non run flat. The hard part is to patch it from the inside, you probably need a shop to do that but I'll let you in on a little secret.. .. of all the tires I've plugged myself over the years I never put a patch on the inside and never had an issue with the plug.

This is what I hate about run flats. Each manufacturer has a different opinion on repairability. Continental says no repairs, Pirelli recommends against it, and Michelin says they are fine.

I had a Pirelli get a flat at 300 miles on my car. Discount Tire wouldn't repair it and I was out a very expensive new tire.

[Marty in NY]

Originally Posted by mnx5er

This is what I hate about run flats. Each manufacturer has a different opinion on repairability. Continental says no repairs, Pirelli recommends against it, and Michelin says they are fine.

I had a Pirelli get a flat at 300 miles on my car. Discount Tire wouldn't repair it and I was out a very expensive new tire.

This is where you have to get educated on your own and then do what you feel best. You can get a flat on a one mile tire or a 40K mile tire, the diff is at 40K you just replace the tires (all 4) but in your case on a 300 mile tire, its brand new still. I successfully plugged Continentals and Pirelli's. You just have to see where the hole is and make sure it's in the safe (tread) zone and not at or near the sidewall.

You will find varying opinions no matter who you ask, someone on this forum, your friends or a tire place. Certainly if the mfg of your tires or their rep says they won't repair it and you don't want to plug it yourself, then your tire warranty should come into play.

[dZine]

Has anyone tried Bridgestone Weatherpeak on their X5?

[jad03060]

If you actually drive your RFT with zero pressure, there can be damage inside that is not readily visible. If you have a slow leak, and keep the pressure up, it is really no different from a normal construction tire. The hassle is, the shop does not know if you’ve run the tire while at zero pressure, so many are unwilling to take the risk of patching what may be a tire ready to fail.

[JoeAyalaM]

Yep... RFTs are for delicate persons that are more willing to pay for a new tire than to change a tire for a spare. More rigid, unpleaseant drive, etc. but you do not need bother changing it on the roadside.

The last time I changed a tire was many years ago.

But I still have to see my wife and daughters change a tire by themselves, so there's the utility.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by mnx5er

This is what I hate about run flats. Each manufacturer has a different opinion on repairability. Continental says no repairs, Pirelli recommends against it, and Michelin says they are fine.

I had a Pirelli get a flat at 300 miles on my car. Discount Tire wouldn't repair it and I was out a very expensive new tire.

sounds like you were within Pirelli’s warranty period. why didn’t you claim it?

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by JoeAyalaM

Yep... RFTs are for ladies that are more willing to pay for a new tire than to change a tire for a spare. More rigid, unpleaseant drive, etc. but you do not need bother changing it on the roadside.

The last time I changed a tire was many years ago.

But I still have to see my daughters change tires by themselves.

that’s a very misogynistic statement there, bruh. our choices in life are dictated by our own experiences. I can’t tell you how many times over the last 15 years run flats have saved me and my family during road trips and even just on my commutes to work through construction zones which have lots of debris. my wife’s sidewall blew out on a windy backroad with no shoulder on the way to daycare. she called me while I was already in the operating room so I couldn't leave to help. because it was a run flat, she was able to hobble the last 3 miles to the safety of the daycare parking lot.

I can change a tire and have done so several times, but run flats are a winner in my book. I buy the tire warranty so I’m not shelling out any money at the time of service.

nowadays, manufacturers don’t even offer a spare in many cases due to the run flats’ track record (as is the case with both our 45e and 530e). just because you find no benefit for them doesn’t give you the right to make such a statement