[cobramite]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

At what kind of loss?

I think any dealer will gladly take it back, but it will be a high cost to the OP? My guess is 10-15k in the hole. I’ve been completely shocked at the trade in values proposed on almost brand new vehicles I’ve had this year.

This is the point. Sure they will take it back but at a trade in price as they now have your 50e to sell as a used car.
The OP's '24 50e looks to be a great vehicle and heavily optioned. He should keep it for 2 or 3 years and move on. An X3MC and an X5 50e are quite different vehicles.

[redbullfan]

I have both and i definitely prefer the 50e for daily driving.

[mnx5er]

Take the X5 out into the mountains and have fun with it. I am amazed at how well the 50e does in curvy mountain drives. No idea I was driving a PHEV.

[gexd7127]

Honestly you should just enjoy your car! X3 and X5 are so just so different. Also 2024 X5 looks much better than X3 (IMHO).

[eelnoraa]

Not sure rules in another state, if in Cali, TTL of the “remorse purchase” will be down the drain too. With a good 9.x% here, total to government will be 11%. Say selling price of 50e was 80k. TTL will be 8.8k, not recoverable from selling.

[derek.megyesi]

Hi all,

Sorry for my silence since the original posting. Been busy with Christmas stuff.

I have spent the last few days watching YouTube videos and doing a lot of soul searching. I also have been looking at other "luxury" vehicles that drive by me (Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, etc.) and most are not super high end (performance), they are just normal. Anyhow that is not important. I decided to stay with my decision...BUT purchase carbon fibre mirror caps for the X5, to give me that "performance feeling".

https://www.shopbmwusa.com/product/6...ER-MIRROR-CAPS

In the end, I have to realize that I am not 25 anymore and need be practical. Where I am going to drive 0-60 in 3.x seconds? Maybe entering in the freeway, but I risk 1) getting a speed ticket and 2) going broke on fuel costs.

[derek.megyesi]

Originally Posted by TexAg91

No, no one can make you feel better about your decision but you.

Do you often make major purchases in life and then regret it, or is this a first for you?

A better question is why did you buy if you weren’t sure?

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I needed a new vehicle as I sold my 430 before I left Canada. I actually was in BMW Bellevue about to buy the X3 M-Comp, when I got in a discussion with the sales guy about gas mileage vs. performance...which got me re-considering my choices and heading the 50e direction.....

[derek.megyesi]

Originally Posted by WagonFan

Yes, shouldn’t we assume at any luxury vehicle that the vehicle value drops 20+% as soon we drive it off the lot.

How would the next buyer know if it was buyers remorse or a perceived lemon?

Buyers remorse and not even knowing if the other vehicle is the right one has a price.

But it might not matter to the OP, who has been quiet since the original post.

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Sorry for my silence. Busy with holiday season stuff.

I need up sticking firm with decision and I am keeping the e50. In Seattle here, I see cops pulling over drivers all the time and I honestly don't know where I would use all that "performance power" from hate X3 M-Comp.

I did decide to buy the Carbon Fibre mirror tips though to give me a taste of the performance though haha

https://www.shopbmwusa.com/product/6...ER-MIRROR-CAPS

[BlkGS]

Gonna be real here, fuel costs doesn't belong in a discussion about cars that are $75k USD plus. If you're worried about fuel costs, you can't afford the car.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Gonna be real here, fuel costs doesn't belong in a discussion about cars that are $75k USD plus. If you're worried about fuel costs, you can't afford the car.

Come on - seriously - the OP was clearly making a joke. Let’s not question the OPs financial standing bc of something so silly. They were cleared to take home a brand new 50e. That’s all that any of us need to know. If it gives you some satisfaction to take unnecessary jabs at people like that, please find another way to release your frustration on the world.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Gonna be real here, fuel costs doesn't belong in a discussion about cars that are $75k USD plus. If you're worried about fuel costs, you can't afford the car.

Exactly.
Amazes me when I see guys who have gone out the door over 80 large or more on a new vehicle and then obsess about gas mileage, miles per KW etc.
Totally agree that if fuel costs are a worry or a real problem then common sense dictates that a less expensive vehicle should be purchased. Nothing deep or complicated about that.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by cobramite

Exactly.
Amazes me when I see guys who have gone out the door over 80 large on a new vehicle and then obsess about gas mileage, miles per KW etc.
Totally agree that if fuel costs are a worry or a real problem then common sense dictates that a less expensive vehicle should be purchased. Nothing deep or complicated about that.

I think the OP was being facetious here as he can very easily get speeding tickets in his near 500 hp 50e too.

While I do agree with you cobra - that the delta in the fuel costs are small percentage points on total cost - for whatever reason there are many people out there who have an irrational frugalness to them. Where they can buy a 100k just fine but don’t want overpay on gas. Again, I don’t think this is the case here with the OP as I think they are joking... I do think there are MANY people out there with the financial capability to buy your m60 but then question the fuel consumption costs (irrationally mostly).

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

I think the OP was being facetious here as he can very easily get speeding tickets in his near 500 hp 50e too.

While I do agree with you cobra - that the delta in the fuel costs are small percentage points on total cost - for whatever reason there are many people out there who have an irrational frugalness to them. Where they can buy a 100k just fine but don’t want overpay on gas. Again, I don’t think this is the case here with the OP as I think they are joking... I do think there are MANY people out there with the financial capability to buy your m60 but then question the fuel consumption costs (irrationally mostly).

My remarks that I am happy you agree with were general in nature and not focused on any one individual.
You also do not need nearly 500 HP to get a speeding ticket.
I had a glove box full of them in my 150 HP Chevy when I was in school.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

I think the OP was being facetious here as he can very easily get speeding tickets in his near 500 hp 50e too.

While I do agree with you cobra - that the delta in the fuel costs are small percentage points on total cost - for whatever reason there are many people out there who have an irrational frugalness to them. Where they can buy a 100k just fine but don’t want overpay on gas. Again, I don’t think this is the case here with the OP as I think they are joking... I do think there are MANY people out there with the financial capability to buy your m60 but then question the fuel consumption costs (irrationally mostly).

"irrational frugalness" is an excellent way to put it indeed.
Reminds me of the people here where we live who spend 3M, 5M, 10M,
on a house or condo but refuse to put the premium fuel in their luxury car that is called for because of the "high cost" or the guy who waits 20 minutes in line to fill up his $150,000 Porsche with Costco mystery gas.

[WagonFan]

Originally Posted by cobramite

Exactly.
Amazes me when I see guys who have gone out the door over 80 large or more on a new vehicle and then obsess about gas mileage, miles per KW etc.
Totally agree that if fuel costs are a worry or a real problem then common sense dictates that a less expensive vehicle should be purchased. Nothing deep or complicated about that.

While for the most part for the cost I agree for probably 95% of buyers (even so with high mileage that may mean 1 to 2k a year).

But fuel consumption (not cost) was still a buying aspect for us. We agreed not to buy anything less than 25mpg. That ruled out Audi Q7 and BMW X5 M60i for example. The background is more related to resource consumption and environmental aspects. I am also one the strange people who is in favor of reduced exhaust sound.

I know there will be different opinions about it.

At the end with the 50e we got what we wanted.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by WagonFan

While for the most part for the cost I agree for probably 95% of buyers (even so with high mileage that may mean 1 to 2k a year).

But fuel consumption (not cost) was still a buying aspect for us. We agreed not to buy anything less than 25mpg. That ruled out Audi Q7 and BMW X5 M60i for example. The background is more related to resource consumption and environmental aspects. I am also one the strange people who is in favor of reduced exhaust sound.

I know there will be different opinions about it.

At the end with the 50e we got what we wanted.

Then there are the wealthy environmentalists . Nothing wrong with this POV!

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

Then there are the wealthy environmentalists . Nothing wrong with this POV!

Yeah like the stupidly rich prick John Kerry who flies around the world demanding and preaching about how we commoners should all walk and ride bikes to work while his oversized luxury Gulfstream G4 Corporate elite jet aircraft burns 500 gallons/hour.
I gave up on "resource conservation" when we ran out of oil for the second time around 40 years ago.

[derek.megyesi]

Wow, I didn't mean to open a can of worms here.. LOL. Yes, I am somewhat concerned about fuel cost, but my main decision was the lack of opportunities to use all the power of a M-Comp.

Now that I have driven the 50e for a while now, I think I will go test drive a X3 and see if I notice the difference in cabin size

[ridetime]

Here is my minority opinion (this is an X5 forum after all) the X5 is a great SAV. I have owned 3 and my wife currently drives a 22 40i M-sport. I just traded my X5 in November for an X3 M40i. I think that it is the X3 that hits the sweet spot. It has more low end punch than X3M Comp so it has usable power to overtake and merge in metro traffic gets better fuel economy and rides much less harshly than X3M comp. And its 20k less money. X3 M40i absolutely rips off the line and can effortlessly overtake slower traffic even with moderate throttle application. It feels like it has about 100 more HP/Torque than BMW says it does. X3M Comp needs more revs to make power and that is not ideal for city driving. In a 1/4 mile race the X3M will destroy the 40i but around town speeds mostly below 50 it's a different story.

X5 feels heavier and slower around town (because it is). My last X5 had 22" wheels and felt crashy and harsh on rough roads. My wife has the 21's and they are much better.

Now for my biggest disappointment with X5. To me, the X5's interior space feels only somewhat bigger than the X3. On the outside when parked next to each other the X5 is substantially bigger looking but not so much inside. Don't get me wrong X5 has more space than X3 clearly. It's just not as much as you would think given the physically larger exterior.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by cobramite

Yeah like the stupidly rich prick John Kerry who flies around the world demanding and preaching about how we commoners should all walk and ride bikes to work while his oversized luxury Gulfstream G4 Corporate elite jet aircraft burns 500 gallons/hour.
I gave up on "resource conservation" when we ran out of oil for the second time around 40 years ago.

When you are on that side of the world - life is just a series of unacknowledged double standards

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by ridetime

Here is my minority opinion (this is an X5 forum after all) the X5 is a great SAV. I have owned 3 and my wife currently drives a 22 40i M-sport. I just traded my X5 in November for an X3 M40i after never owning X3. I think that it is the X3 that hits the sweet spot. It has more low end punch than X3M Comp so it has usable power to overtake and merge in metro traffic gets better fuel economy and rides much less harshly than X3M comp. And its 20k less money. X3 M40i absolutely rips off the line and can effortlessly overtake slower traffic even with moderate throttle application. It feels like it has about 100 more HP/Torque than BMW says it does.

X5 feels heavier and slower around town (because it is). My last X5 had 22" wheels and felt crashy and harsh on rough roads. My wife has the 21's and they are much better.

Now for my biggest disappointment with X5. To me, the X5's interior space feels only somewhat bigger than the X3. On the outside when parked next to each other the X5 is substantially bigger looking but no so much inside. Don't get me wrong X5 has more space than X3 clearly. It's just not as much as you would think given the physically larger exterior.

So I agree in thinking the x3 m40i is a phenomenal total package. It has an amazingly powerful, quick and smooth delivery of power.

I have a different opinion on the size comparison for the width. Rear legroom is essentially the same which is the biggest let down for the bigger x5. But interior width makes a massive difference IMO. Although it’s just a few inches it makes a notable difference in interior comfort for the driver and passengers. The m sport seats in the x3 are so small. I’m not a large guy yet I feel the seats are too small for even me. If I’m wearing a winter jacket it feels really tight and difficult to maneuver. For the x5 - That extra width in the center console + comfort seats makes for a much more comfortable relaxed airy feeling.

[nZtiZia]

the cost of a vehicle doesn’t dictate where any person can decide to be frugal or save money, however big or small

a person interested in a $100k vehicle has the same right as a person interested in a $30k vehicle to use mpg or mi/kWh in their decision-making process