[HybridLA]

I was speaking with a plugged in 20 year sales vet in California who said at this point of the year he ALWAYS had his initial following model year production allocation.

He does have the 2025 yet. And the fact that October 2024 xDrive50e orders have been delayed until now leads him to believe BMW is moving away from plug in hybrids to all electric for a few reasons and may discontinue the xDrive50e. The price does not justify the gas savings, HOV stickers are harder to come by as well as rebates on all electric vehicles make them more attractive.

Anyone heard anything similar?

I have a 2021 xDrive45e and really hoping to get the xDrive50e.

[TurtleBoy]

I would say it would be very safe to say he has no clue what he is talking about and can be ignored. BMW definitely is not moving away from PHEVs and the BEV X5 won't be out until August of 2026.

[eelnoraa]

Your sale vet wants you to buy one of the 500 EVs in dealers lot that they cannot sell.

[johnonroad]

Nice article in the WSJ today "The Six Months that Circuited the Vehicle Revolution". Basically, reality has hit the Auto makers that people don't all want to buy BEVs. GM and Ford have cut investment and projections for BEVs.

Hybrids on the other hand have seen sales taking off. This is especially true in the US markets where fear of infrastructure is leading consumers to choose PHEVs over BEVs.

The 50e is going to be predominantly marketed for the US so it would be strange to kill this vehicle off.

[Mattl0806]

It is really is scary what these people will say in an attempt to try to put a dollar in their pocket. SAs like this absolutely do not care about the customer and it’s a shame they have a job.

[djohn]

I have not read all 41 pages of this thread, but something is going on, there. That's not to say that BMW is going to "move away" from PHEV, entirely.

Some models have recently discontinued this option: the Subaru Crosstrek and Lincoln Navigator come to mind. But the 45e is considered very good. The 50e is then what, a 3rd-generation system? They'll work it out, I think.

[jad03060]

The first X5 PhEV was the 40e, then the 45e, and now the 50e. So, it's the third generation of the X5 in a PhEV, but I think the 5th generation of the EV drivetrain.

[Aussiejem]

BMW have invested too much time and $ to simply discontinue PHEV and tgis option is a no brainer atm compared to ICE and EV offerings I think with market transitions.

[HybridLA]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

It is really is scary what these people will say in an attempt to try to put a dollar in their pocket. SAs like this absolutely do not care about the customer and it’s a shame they have a job.

Not sure how he benefits if he has no 2024 models and not sure there will be 2025 models of the xDrive50e. Does he benefit if I buy a plug in Volvo or Mercedes?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by HybridLA

Not sure how he benefits if he has no 2024 models and not sure there will be 2025 models of the xDrive50e. Does he benefit if I buy a plug in Volvo or Mercedes?

He means he was trying to get you interested in an EV. Personally I don't think he was doing it, he was just talking out of his ass with no basis in reality. Likely trying to make it seem like he knew the inside scoop.

[HybridLA]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

He means he was trying to get you interested in an EV. Personally I don't think he was doing it, he was just talking out of his ass with no basis in reality. Likely trying to make it seem like he knew the inside scoop.

I guess we will see how it plays out.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by HybridLA

Not sure how he benefits if he has no 2024 models and not sure there will be 2025 models of the xDrive50e. Does he benefit if I buy a plug in Volvo or Mercedes?

I may have jumped to a conclusion but I was assuming you were chatting about your next car. Since there are no 50es to sell you, he would be saying all what you recounted above in a selfish attempt to sway your interest into something he could sell you now…

apologies if you think that was too severe of a conviction for this individual. I’ve just been on the receiving end, and have read plenty more, of these types of games by SAs.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

I may have jumped to a conclusion but I was assuming you were chatting about your next car. Since there are no 50es to sell you, he would be saying all what you recounted above in a selfish attempt to sway your interest into something he could sell you now…

apologies if you think that was too severe of a conviction for this individual. I’ve just been on the receiving end, and have read plenty more, of these types of games by SAs.

Another possible explanation in Cali can be the SA is one of the strong minded green movement/environmentalist. The will sure steer buyers toward EV. I have met too many

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by HybridLA

I guess we will see how it plays out.

Given that BMWNA has set up a process for giving out allocations for MY50e's for those who have been delayed and that the pricing guide has already been issued in at least one European country I think it is pretty clear how it plays out.

[Georgetheowl]

I really hope BMW and Toyota can share B58 and planetary gear ECVT systems with each other to make a magnificent PHEV...

[jad03060]

With the EV motor in a PhEV, and the 8-speed transmission, I'm not sure a CVT would really help much. Plus, the sometimes weird engine RPMs you can get with a CVT turn some off.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

Your sale vet wants you to buy one of the 500 EVs in dealers lot that they cannot sell.

Absolutely. And being that the SA is in California, he might actually believe that BEVs aren't a failure.

[mscot]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Absolutely. And being that the SA is in California, he might actually believe that BEVs aren't a failure.

Calling them a failure is a stretch. They are still in the formative years.
Think of the first iPhone compared to what you can get now. (or android if that's your bag).

Battery tech has a long way to go still. If they ever figure out how to mass produce safe solid state batteries, we'll see a big jump in range and charging times.

I read a Guardian article recently and experts do not have much confidence in Hydrogen working for consumer vehicles.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...-emission-cars

[davchr]

I would not put any faith in what the sales guys say. On several occasions I asked two BMW sales guys, one in AZ and another in SoCal, about information I saw on this forum. Their initial response was they did not know anything about it - 50e production delays and problems. A day or so later they confirmed what I read on this forum and asked how I got information before they did. Unlike our real military, the Generals on this forum seem to know what is really going on.

[JMD]

Originally Posted by jad03060

With the EV motor in a PhEV, and the 8-speed transmission, I'm not sure a CVT would really help much. Plus, the sometimes weird engine RPMs you can get with a CVT turn some off.

Agree. Plus, I wouldn't want issues prong to CVT transmissions,...Nissan Murano is one to think about.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by JMD

Agree. Plus, I wouldn't want issues prong to CVT transmissions,...Nissan Murano is one to think about.

I take it as a joke, CVT in premium sport oriented cars, probably not going to have a market.

Having that said, Toyota's eCVT is entire different animal Nissan's. No belt or chain, all power is transmitted by gearset. The requirement is power chain must be hybrid. You don't see a non hybrid toyota with eCVT. It is super simple and reliable as well. The gating aspect maybe the packaging. All Toyota with ECVT is a FWD platform, transmission is "pancake" shape. To make it to compatible with BMW RWD platform with AWD support, it is probably a complete redesign

[JMD]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

I take it as a joke, CVT in premium sport oriented cars, probably not going to have a market.

Having that said, Toyota's eCVT is entire different animal Nissan's. No belt or chain, all power is transmitted by gearset. The requirement is power chain must be hybrid. You don't see a non hybrid toyota with eCVT. It is super simple and reliable as well. The gating aspect maybe the packaging. All Toyota with ECVT is a FWD platform, transmission is "pancake" shape. To make it to compatible with BMW RWD platform with AWD support, it is probably a complete redesign