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These 0-60 tests produce plenty of conversions but don't tell the entire story about the vehicle - yet we all eagerly anticipate these tests.
Audi RSQ8 looks as if Audi did its homework on what the buyers in the target consumer segment want. I still prefer X5M even if Carwow did a test between all competitors re-entering Earth's atmosphere with 100 layers of ceramic coating to declare the winning car based on the radiator remains plummeting to the ground. |
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But the Trackhawk absolutely takes home the title in the ugly department
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Still it's bold for a manufacturer that's so conservative But the Audi sounded quite dull for a RS Model
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12-07-2020, 05:26 AM | #49 |
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Unless you live on a planet that's connected with straight lines, I doubt this. Every car is more determined by its transversal and pitch, yaw, roll behaviour driving from one turn into the next. A simple moose test would already be clearly more relevant to judge the dynamic behaviour than this.
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12-07-2020, 07:51 AM | #51 |
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That Turbo S with its insane price tag should be a runaway here but is obviously not. I've been the 911 and Cayenne route a total of 3 times and can tell you from my experience and those of other guys that these Porsches are NOT worth the price especially the past 5 years.
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Ditto , and like I drive a BMW which I secretly hate and love Porsches which I won't buy. While I do not love the X6 design, I don't hate it. In fact I would consider getting a X6M based on performance tech and amenities alone. TheX6 design is not that far from the other SAV coupes out there. Bottom line BMW will make what sells, regardless of what you or I think
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of course as they used sportplus on the cayenne during the rolling race in its sharpest setting, and only in sport plus the cayenne use 550hp plus 130 electicel Hp. On Hybrid mode the cayenne uses 550 ice Hp and almost no electricel power, as the Ice power is used to regen the battery first.
So big difference between Sportplus, Sport and hybrid mode for the cayenne concerning available combined HP |
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2.8 seconds is now considered to be nothing special as is a 2.9 for a 911S. Some cars including the electrics are mid to low 2s, absolutely nuts. |
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just keeps winning in all these head to heads, love it!
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12-07-2020, 10:11 AM | #58 |
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Beyond the vacuum of just this video comparison, something to keep in mind for those preferring the Porsche over the BMW here is also the factor of real world choice.
A loaded BMW X6M tops out at right around $130K. A Cayenne Turbo (non-hybrid) comparably equipped is just shy of $180K. You could, for the difference, and considering BMW has way more generous discounts, get both an X6M and a base M2 Coupe for the same price as a Cayenne Turbo. Which of the Porsche folks would rather still have the Cayenne? |
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Where Porsche knows they have their more experienced buyers is that no one could ever live with a base model Porsche. They are horribly low rent so Porsche offers up 52 pages of options to make the car acceptable for a six-figure vehicle at the new owners expense. Porsche likes to twist this choke hold buying experience into a “bespoke” level of individual design to enhance the Porsche ownership experience. (I have been buying Porsche 911’s before they did this kind of crap so I have seen what’s inside the sausage). Really they know a plastic interior and vinyl seats at the base level is a dirty little secret no one would ever think is possible from Porsche.. Porsche has done a 180. Porsche is marketing and selling the brand itself and NOT the cars as they once did decades ago. I am not putting the Porsche brand down as I still own classic 911’s but find it strangely naïve some would put the modern Porsche brand on a pedestal above other German brands as if they really believe the marking magic at this level of buying. Last edited by MystroX5; 12-07-2020 at 11:01 AM.. |
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This partially explains why they were nearly out of business before VW scooped them up.
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Agree about the high performance SUVs. However, all these cars are crossovers that were built on performance car platforms. Despite the higher weight, they drive and handle better than some of the “normal” sedans out there. I recently drove both the X3M and the X5M on my local Pam Beach Raceway and both cars behave and handle on the track just fine. I was genuinely surprised.
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Good discussion about the Porsche brand - my guess is that the folks that buy a Turbo S Cayenne have money to burn and won't think twice about getting the most expensive car of the category they are looking for to set themselves apart from the rest. The cayenne offers the price and the under radar silhouette that gives it the advantage over the Urus/Bentleys.
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