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      02-11-2020, 01:04 PM   #1
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Car and Driver Calls the X5 M50i a Beast in Instrumented Test and Review

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BMW's twin-turbo 4.4-liter V-8 comes in several states of tune in the X5. The M50i's version has 523 horsepower and 553 lb-ft of torque, which is slightly more than in the lesser xDrive50i but well short of the X5 M, which for 2020 flexes up to 617 horses in Competition trim. We can't really say the M50i left us wanting more power. Its scant 3.9-second zero-to-60-mph run and a quarter-mile pass in 12.4 seconds at 112 mph are impressive numbers for any 5336-pound behemoth. And they're just a touch slower than those of the outgoing X5 M. (We've yet to test the new 2020 X5 M.)

The sensory experience of this V-8, however, is even better than its prodigious output. Throttle tip-in is progressive, and the ZF eight-speed automatic transmission executes smooth and perfectly timed upshifts as you dip into the seemingly endless supply of power. A throaty exhaust note provides just enough auditory excitement without going overboard with extraneous crackling and popping. Just don't expect it to be that thrifty at the pump. The M50i averaged a mere 15 mpg while in our care and posted 20 mpg in our 75-mph highway fuel-economy testó2 mpg less than its EPA estimate.

A tall, upright seating position has been one of the X5's traits since its first generation. That setup initially makes it a little disconcerting to hustle the M50i through a set of corners. But once you get used to the feeling of sitting on a barstool, the X5's handling inspires confidence. There's little body roll, and the steering is direct and preciseóif a little heavy in its sportier drive settings. This Bimmer's ride-and-handling balance is commendable in any of its available driving modes, which is a testament to its supple damper tuning and inherently good body control.

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      02-11-2020, 01:13 PM   #2
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It's perfect for a SUV.
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It's perfect for a SUV.
I'm going to sound like a broken record if you've seen any of my other posts on this question but the X5's tragic flaw as an SUV may be its small payload capacity (849-871 lbs on the "tire and loading information" sticker on the door jamb across several 40i, 50i and M50i that I've looked at). An 849 lb payload capacity means the X5 can only carry 4 people plus luggage - or, if you're towing something at the 7,200 lbs capacity with a typical 10% tongue weight, then the driver can't weight more than 129 lbs! For context, every one of the X5's competitors has a payload capacity around 1500 lbs. (Range Rover Sport is 1,521 to 1,951 lbs, Q7 is 1,552 to 1,750 lbs, GLE is 1,434 to 1,532 lbs, Explorer is 1,433 to 1,815 lbs, etc.)
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We have been saying it on this board for a while.
I recently made a post in X5m forum - that did not sound as eloquently as "Car and Driver" article but says the same thing.

Those M performance models are so good by BMW now - that unless you are tracking the car non stop - one does not need a full M on the street.

I'm having a hard time persuading myself that i want an upgrade to x5M.
It will loose some practicality and features but will it gain enough to compensate for it?

Scary part - it is similar with M340 - it is that good. I definitely do not need a new M3 for the street after driving M340 for a year..

Aggressively driving M340 - am sideways in that car on every roundabout. My kids cal lit drifting car.. And then i can hand it over to my wife and she can commute to work in comfort without me worrying that she will spin out on every corner in the rear wheel drive M3.
Since I have the track car - M performance is really where its at for the street.
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Also - that M50 engine is a monster

Underrated as expected, 501 WHP and 549 TQ! Stock

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We have been saying it on this board for a while.
I recently made a post in X5m forum - that did not sound as eloquently as "Car and Driver" article but says the same thing.

Those M performance models are so good by BMW now - that unless you are tracking the car non stop - one does not need a full M on the street.

I'm having a hard time persuading myself that i want an upgrade to x5M.
It will loose some practicality and features but will it gain enough to compensate for it?

Scary part - it is similar with M340 - it is that good. I definitely do not need a new M3 for the street after driving M340 for a year..

Aggressively driving M340 - am sideways in that car on every roundabout. My kids cal lit drifting car.. And then i can hand it over to my wife and she can commute to work in comfort without me worrying that she will spin out on every corner in the rear wheel drive M3.
Since I have the track car - M performance is really where its at for the street.
I agree. I don't want a hard/edge ride in a luxury SUV. In a car you have the right full "M" platform. It's fun to have a sub 4 second SUV now. I don't want or need anything more extreme, especially in a long distance cruiser in mixed weather.
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Aggressively driving M340 - am sideways in that car on every roundabout. My kids cal lit drifting car.. And then i can hand it over to my wife and she can commute to work in comfort without me worrying that she will spin out on every corner in the rear wheel drive M3.
Funny thing is my wife hates my M340. Says it's too uncomfortable and bumpy

Can't imagine how she'd react to an M3.
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But why doesn't the US get the option of the 3rd row in the M50i? It's available in other markets with the 3rd row and would make this a perfect option. I'm guessing it's been done solely to push X7 sales...
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Aggressively driving M340 - am sideways in that car on every roundabout. My kids cal lit drifting car.. And then i can hand it over to my wife and she can commute to work in comfort without me worrying that she will spin out on every corner in the rear wheel drive M3.
Funny thing is my wife hates my M340. Says it's too uncomfortable and bumpy

Can't imagine how she'd react to an M3.
She's quite right. The 3 series suspensions are horribly tuned. The E90 generation was the best.

I drive an M2 competition and the suspension is taut. It makes you feel good going over bumps and keeps the car balanced and in control. Not like 3 series, shakes up the whole chassis and feels like the car is not on rails. M3 competition will be very good and your wife might actually like gliding the car over bumps.
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She's quite right. The 3 series suspensions are horribly tuned. The E90 generation was the best.

I drive an M2 competition and the suspension is taut. It makes you feel good going over bumps and keeps the car balanced and in control. Not like 3 series, shakes up the whole chassis and feels like the car is not on rails. M3 competition will be very good and your wife might actually like gliding the car over bumps.
well.... i'm not complaining. My last car was a Q50 which floated through corners in comparison and the steering wheel literally wasn't even connected to the wheels.
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well.... i'm not complaining. My last car was a Q50 which floated through corners in comparison and the steering wheel literally wasn't even connected to the wheels.
FYI, G05 X5 steering wheel is also literally not connected to the wheels.
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FYI, G05 X5 steering wheel is also literally not connected to the wheels.
you know what i meannnnnnn.....

There was no steering shaft that connects to a pinion gear that moves the rack to mechanically convert the rotational movements of the steering wheel into linear motions necessary to turn the wheels.

Better?
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FYI, G05 X5 steering wheel is also literally not connected to the wheels.
you know what i meannnnnnn.....

There was no steering shaft that connects to a pinion gear that moves the rack to mechanically convert the rotational movements of the steering wheel into linear motions necessary to turn the wheels.

Better?
I believe G05 X5 does not have a mechanical link from steering column to steering rack, but I could be wrong. The steering rack is definitely electrical, but I am having trouble finding full diagrams and/or description.

Or maybe it does, that thing above the 2 in the diagram?
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Does the M50i have heavier steering than the 50i M Sport? I've driven a 40i (which I did not like) and an M50i (which I found acceptable relative to my E70 50i). I would hate to buy a 50i M Sport and be disappointed with the steering...
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Does the M50i have heavier steering than the 50i M Sport? I've driven a 40i (which I did not like) and an M50i (which I found acceptable relative to my E70 50i). I would hate to buy a 50i M Sport and be disappointed with the steering...
I could tell a perceptible difference in steering weight due to the engine size difference and more when both (40i M Sport and M50i) were driven in Sport mode.

You're option on X5 with M Sport appearance (ZMP) is X5 xDrive40i or X5 M50i.

ZMP package on xDrive50i was discontinued when X5 M50i was launched. 2020 xDrive50i is ONLY available in xLine.

There maybe some leftover new or used 2019s xDrive50i with ZMP on dealer lots though rare depending on market.
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I believe G05 X5 does not have a mechanical link from steering column to steering rack, but I could be wrong. The steering rack is definitely electrical, but I am having trouble finding full diagrams and/or description.

Or maybe it does, that thing above the 2 in the diagram?
That diagram is of the integral active steering system that you can option the X5 with ($1,150 USD for the xdrive40i or "free" standalone option on the M50i.... or part of the DHP package) here in the US, not sure about the packages for Canada.

Even with the IAS option, that's simply referring to an additional planetary gear and electric motor attached to the traditional rack and pinion setup. So you still have a physical, mechanical connection to the front wheels.

That autoblog article is simply referring to the feeling, which according to them is close to the feeling you get in a steer-by-wire setup in the sense that road feel is minimized (or in steer-by-wire's case, completely non-existent).

All that aside though, I was comparing my Infiniti's steer-by-wire setup to my M340i for my non-complaints about the 3 series when responding to buckybadger. My G05 is for comfort family hauling anyway
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I believe G05 X5 does not have a mechanical link from steering column to steering rack, but I could be wrong. The steering rack is definitely electrical, but I am having trouble finding full diagrams and/or description.

Or maybe it does, that thing above the 2 in the diagram?
That diagram is of the integral active steering system that you can option the X5 with ($1,150 USD for the xdrive40i or "free" standalone option on the M50i.... or part of the DHP package) here in the US, not sure about the packages for Canada.

Even with the IAS option, that's simply referring to an additional planetary gear and electric motor attached to the traditional rack and pinion setup. So you still have a physical, mechanical connection to the front wheels.

That autoblog article is simply referring to the feeling, which according to them is close to the feeling you get in a steer-by-wire setup in the sense that road feel is minimized (or in steer-by-wire's case, completely non-existent).

All that aside though, I was comparing my Infiniti's steer-by-wire setup to my M340i for my non-complaints about the 3 series when responding to buckybadger. My G05 is for comfort family hauling anyway
Hm. I've started a new thread about G05 steering system to try to get to the bottom of it. Apologies to all for spreading likely inaccurate info in a couple of posts over time ... but that's what I like about such discussions — it forces one to question unintended assumptions and figure out the reality.
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I actually have my car in my possession now, so I can speak intelligently about it.

The REASON I bought an M50i was because I'm a car enthusiast, but I also needed a "softer" car than my 340i MPPSK (Bad neck/back)... and more family space is always good too. The roads in Belgium are worse than any country I've ever been to... and I've been to a lot. (over 30).

The X5M "looks" amazing... it performs amazing for an SUV, no doubt. But, the suspension is hard as a rock. All M cars are.

Why buy a "luxury SUV", only to have all the luxury removed with a harsh suspension?

Why buy a "Track SUV".... when it's not EVER going to perform like a sportscar on the track, due to simple physics?

The M50i is the best of both worlds.... and it's VERY good at both.

I absolute LOVE the air suspension. I don't find it "floaty" at all. I've been reading comments about all the hate toward the air suspension, because it doesn't "handle corners" as well. Well.... Duhh... it's an SUV. It's not supposed to. In dynamic mode, it handles corners and curves MUCH better than I expected it to. Absolutely ZERO complaints from me.

If the X5M and the X5M50i were the exact same price... I would STILL get the X5M50i. It's just a better, more useable, more purposeful vehicle.
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I actually have my car in my possession now, so I can speak intelligently about it.

The REASON I bought an M50i was because I'm a car enthusiast, but I also needed a "softer" car than my 340i MPPSK (Bad neck/back)... and more family space is always good too. The roads in Belgium are worse than any country I've ever been to... and I've been to a lot. (over 30).

The X5M "looks" amazing... it performs amazing for an SUV, no doubt. But, the suspension is hard as a rock. All M cars are.

Why buy a "luxury SUV", only to have all the luxury removed with a harsh suspension?

Why buy a "Track SUV".... when it's not EVER going to perform like a sportscar on the track, due to simple physics?

The M50i is the best of both worlds.... and it's VERY good at both.

I absolute LOVE the air suspension. I don't find it "floaty" at all. I've been reading comments about all the hate toward the air suspension, because it doesn't "handle corners" as well. Well.... Duhh... it's an SUV. It's not supposed to. In dynamic mode, it handles corners and curves MUCH better than I expected it to. Absolutely ZERO complaints from me.

If the X5M and the X5M50i were the exact same price... I would STILL get the X5M50i. It's just a better, more useable, more purposeful vehicle.
also most tracks here on the east coast, will NOT allow you to take any SUV to the track. most tracks near me require a sedan or coupe, and depending on events, a roll cage and helmets gear.

So you're not going to track a 6 figure car and you're surely not going to track an SUV. So who is buying the full "M" SUV ?
Someone in Texas racing their kids down the highway?
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I actually have my car in my possession now, so I can speak intelligently about it.

The REASON I bought an M50i was because I'm a car enthusiast, but I also needed a "softer" car than my 340i MPPSK (Bad neck/back)... and more family space is always good too. The roads in Belgium are worse than any country I've ever been to... and I've been to a lot. (over 30).

The X5M "looks" amazing... it performs amazing for an SUV, no doubt. But, the suspension is hard as a rock. All M cars are.

Why buy a "luxury SUV", only to have all the luxury removed with a harsh suspension?

Why buy a "Track SUV".... when it's not EVER going to perform like a sportscar on the track, due to simple physics?

The M50i is the best of both worlds.... and it's VERY good at both.

I absolute LOVE the air suspension. I don't find it "floaty" at all. I've been reading comments about all the hate toward the air suspension, because it doesn't "handle corners" as well. Well.... Duhh... it's an SUV. It's not supposed to. In dynamic mode, it handles corners and curves MUCH better than I expected it to. Absolutely ZERO complaints from me.

If the X5M and the X5M50i were the exact same price... I would STILL get the X5M50i. It's just a better, more useable, more purposeful vehicle.
also most tracks here on the east coast, will NOT allow you to take any SUV to the track. most tracks near me require a sedan or coupe, and depending on events, a roll cage and helmets gear.

So you're not going to track a 6 figure car and you're surely not going to track an SUV. So who is buying the full "M" SUV ?
Someone in Texas racing their kids down the highway?
I don't know if it's the same on the east coast, but the west coast tracks/clubs I've spoken with will allow suvs on a case by case basis. My GLC43 was allowed for a couple of events I've inquired about.

That said if you've the means to own an X5M, you've probably something a little more car like that would be better suited to driving on the track. As for someone tracking a $100,000 car, go out to a PCA track day, more than a few at that value there.
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I actually have my car in my possession now, so I can speak intelligently about it.

The REASON I bought an M50i was because I'm a car enthusiast, but I also needed a "softer" car than my 340i MPPSK (Bad neck/back)... and more family space is always good too. The roads in Belgium are worse than any country I've ever been to... and I've been to a lot. (over 30).

The X5M "looks" amazing... it performs amazing for an SUV, no doubt. But, the suspension is hard as a rock. All M cars are.

Why buy a "luxury SUV", only to have all the luxury removed with a harsh suspension?

Why buy a "Track SUV".... when it's not EVER going to perform like a sportscar on the track, due to simple physics?

The M50i is the best of both worlds.... and it's VERY good at both.

I absolute LOVE the air suspension. I don't find it "floaty" at all. I've been reading comments about all the hate toward the air suspension, because it doesn't "handle corners" as well. Well.... Duhh... it's an SUV. It's not supposed to. In dynamic mode, it handles corners and curves MUCH better than I expected it to. Absolutely ZERO complaints from me.

If the X5M and the X5M50i were the exact same price... I would STILL get the X5M50i. It's just a better, more useable, more purposeful vehicle.
also most tracks here on the east coast, will NOT allow you to take any SUV to the track. most tracks near me require a sedan or coupe, and depending on events, a roll cage and helmets gear.

So you're not going to track a 6 figure car and you're surely not going to track an SUV. So who is buying the full "M" SUV ?
Someone in Texas racing their kids down the highway?
I don't know if it's the same on the east coast, but the west coast tracks/clubs I've spoken with will allow suvs on a case by case basis. My GLC43 was allowed for a couple of events I've inquired about.

That said if you've the means to own an X5M, you've probably something a little more car like that would be better suited to driving on the track. As for someone tracking a $100,000 car, go out to a PCA track day, more than a few at that value there.
Rule number one at my local track is no SUVs. Summit Point WV is one of the premier tracks around DC. see rules:

Vehicle Eligibility

1. Street cars on street tires. No SUV’s, Minivans, or Truck’s.

2. Roll bars are mandatory for all convertibles.  Removable Hard Tops are not approved for rollover protection. Retractible Hard Tops,  Targa Tops, T-Tops and Sunroofs must remain in place while on track.
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      02-14-2020, 12:16 PM   #22
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1. Street cars on street tires. No SUVís, Minivans, or Truckís.
Not even.... the Renault Espace F1??
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