[bobbis1]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Between the ADMs and the new BMW designs I'm finding it hard to get excited about the brand anymore.

New designs are awful but adms are industry wide- hard to blame bmw for that.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by bobbis1

New designs are awful but adms are industry wide- hard to blame bmw for that.

You absolutely can blame BMW for ADMs:

(1.) BMWNA easily has the power to tell their dealer network to stop with the ADMs in many different ways. Written directly into the franchise contract is customer service and "experience" standards.

(2.) BMWNA directly communicates with customers via many channels: web properties, mygarage.bmwusa.com, genius phone line - it would be very easy for BMWNA to message their support of "fair" pricing and/or to very open about their pricing & dealer operations.

(3.) BMWNA ultimately controls MSRP pricing


And, let's face it, many dealers are owned by large corporations like Penske, etc and it would be very easy for BMW to use corporate partnership pressure to lever them with everything from information to model previews, to availability, etc etc.

"But everyone's doin it!" never is & never was an excuse for poor/unethical behavior.

[bobbis1]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

You absolutely can blame BMW for ADMs:

(1.) BMWNA easily has the power to tell their dealer network to stop with the ADMs in many different ways. Written directly into the franchise contract is customer service and "experience" standards.

(2.) BMWNA directly communicates with customers via many channels: web properties, mygarage.bmwusa.com, genius phone line - it would be very easy for BMWNA to message their support of "fair" pricing and/or to very open about their pricing & dealer operations.

(3.) BMWNA ultimately controls MSRP pricing


And, let's face it, many dealers are owned by large corporations like Penske, etc and it would be very easy for BMW to use corporate partnership pressure to lever them with everything from information to model previews, to availability, etc etc.

"But everyone's doin it!" never is & never was an excuse for poor/unethical behavior.

Is there another auto brand doing this? To me it seems that of the German competitors bmw is by far the best in terms of not marking up- I assumed this is more related to the supply situation than any brand or dealer related altruism. Seems like Audi is the worst. I had a friend order an x7 the same time as another friend ordered an sq8 both quoted Msrp. X7 showed up 2 weeks early deal done with no problems. My friends sq8 showed up 1.5 months late, dealer demanded 20k over or would not sell the car- my friend is walking away.

With regard to point 3 that makes the most sense to me… if the market will bear adms just increase msrp to balance out demand! Weirdly brands are afraid to do this.

[anthemavm]

Originally Posted by BMWoody

My local dealer has one available with a nice $16k market adjustment

Just looked at one in Orange County, California and it was a 30k mark up.

[anthemavm]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Absolutely ridiculous on market adjustments. Got my 22 X5M for 3.5 percent off MSRP (this was one on the lot, too).

That is a great deal.

[mjustice]

I guess I do not feel so bad anymore-I ordered one yesterday for msrp. Had to look hard for a dealer willing to do this. By dealer for over 10 years wouldnt do it.

[anthemavm]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Absolutely ridiculous on market adjustments. Got my 22 X5M for 3.5 percent off MSRP (this was one on the lot, too).

Wow, that is an amazing deal.

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by anthemavm

That is a great deal.

Eh, yeah, right now it is for sure....but I am used to getting 10% or so off all my M cars so I don't really feel like I got a deal. I am paying $500 more than my F90 lease was (and my F90 lease was 12 months shorter, too).

[bmwauug]

Originally Posted by Moserkm

Appreciate the tips. I have discussed with every dealer within 500 miles of where I live. I have explained in the most simplest form I can come up with; “what can you do to help me get one as soon as possible?” Every one of them has told me the same thing…they have none inbound, have no allocations, they can trade for an allocation from another dealer but it’s still going to take 4-5 months. M5s are even harder to come by. They are saying 8-9 months because they come from Germany. It’s just crazy right now. The other part is that I refuse to pay any markup. That part is on me, I get it. And yes I’m being stubborn. But I’m already going to pay 6 figures for a car, an additional 15% or more is just shear greed and I can’t be a part of enabling them to continue doing so. My local dealer is prepared to sell me the next M5 that comes on the lot at MSRP. I just have to wait awhile and be patient.

Hearing the same on X5M orders - I'm getting to...wait to order a 23 at this point

[ChiTownM]

I agree with many posters here, ADM is industry wide and with dealerships being independent, they can do whatever they want. Go to the Porsche Boards, you had to be on a list for desirable models or limited production runs. Now, unless you buy an SUV, you cannot get any 911 or six cylinder cayman….or Taycan. Want a Huracan with a V10, get a used one over MSRP or wait forever. So Autonation, Penske, etc. they can sell cars at whatever price they wish. That new GT3 which they specced as a dealer vehicle instead of a customer order, up to 100K over.

I feel your pain, that's what I am trying to say.

[Silververtu]

Manufacturers probably won't do much about ADM until they get certain amount of lemon buyback that they also need to cover ADM.

[jjcools]

I don't agree with dealer markups but there is another issue most people overlook. The dealerships have to make more profit on each car to pay for their massive overhead. If you only get 5 allocations for these in a year, you need to make the best of it.

I work with a company that has 10 dealerships. Their Honda dealership has almost no new inventory, Acura, has 4 cars for sale, VW has nearly all their vehicles sold before they are delivered but try and hold at least 6 to have something new on their lot.

I too would avoid buying a car above MSRP, but also see why some dealers are doing that at the moment on lower production vehicles. If you want a low level X5, you can get one at MSRP...

[Moserkm]

Some dealers are marking up but giving you something for it. The dealer I plan to go through for mine has a $5k markup but you get PPF and ceramic tinted windows thrown in. I can live with that.

[YolkyPalky]

Originally Posted by Moserkm

Some dealers are marking up but giving you something for it. The dealer I plan to go through for mine has a $5k markup but you get PPF and ceramic tinted windows thrown in. I can live with that.

Sure, and make sure he throws in the Under Body Rust Protection Package as well

[Vincegino]

Went to my dealer on January 5th to order a 50i. He said I can order a x5m 4% discount and have it in 6-8 weeks. I said screw it and went that route. The car arrived at the dealership on January 29th! Picking it up Monday.

[bmwauug]

M @ 4% off. Nice deal. And quick delivery.

[Audio Fan]

Originally Posted by bmwauug

M @ 4% off. Nice deal. And quick delivery.

I got about the same on my 22. I think it definitely helps if you've bought a few cars from a good dealer.

[bmwauug]

Happen to hear from another dealer - same deal, likely April build. Part of me says eff it and go, the other, grab a 23 - only a few months away (to order at least).