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      01-18-2022, 04:58 PM   #1
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The depressing truth about ordering an X5 M now

As I've mentioned on here before, I'm making final decisions on my next vehicle. I have been researching the crap out of the X5 M. Then I test drove an M5 and things got muddled. But regardless of which I decide on, I'm being told by many dealers it's an 8 month wait for special orders. Hell that gets into the window for the 2023 orders. Not sure what I can do beyond buy out of state. Nearest one is over 500 miles away. Ugh.
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Call around to see who has an allocation if you want it sooner. It’ll definitely be further away but at least you’ll get it sooner.
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When you say special order are you talking about an individual color or just a customized spec? Individual colors for sure add lots of time no matter what.
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When you say special order are you talking about an individual color or just a customized spec? Individual colors for sure add lots of time no matter what.
Nope. I'm just talking about a special order where I stipulate the options and colors from the standard lineup.
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not hearing that in Chicago area - look for high volume dealers with allocations
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Nope. I'm just talking about a special order where I stipulate the options and colors from the standard lineup.
Just so you're using the right terminology that is NOT a "special order" it's a "customer order" or priority 1 car and it's no different than if the dealer orders it. That's very important.

All a dealer lot car is, is this:

* Dealer gets an allocation
* Dealer configs a spec
* Factory builds to spec & delivers to dealer

What you're talking about is no different:

* Dealer gets an allocation
* Dealer configs a spec (your spec)
* Factory builds to spec & delivers to dealer

The dealer can change the spec of any of their allocations up until the car goes into production so if they have an allocation not in production yet with their spec, they can just update it to your spec or any other spec they want. If you want a black/black m sport and the dealer already has one of their allocations config'd as that, then you're good to go. If not, then they just update their allocation from white/black m sport to black/black m sport and put your name on the paperwork.

Without going into all the nitty-gritty and exceptions, that's the process.

So if a dealer is telling you 8 months it actually means they don't have an allocation they want to give you for 8 months, not that that's generically how long it takes for ANY dealer to get ANY spec'd X5M.

Net-net:
Start emailing dealers all over the country and ask a simple question:
Hi dealer, I'd like to order an X5M, do you currently have an allocation for an X5M?
DO NOT SAY "SPECIAL ORDER"!

When you find a dealer that says yes, then negotiate price. If you don't like the price use a different dealer.

There are plenty of dealers with plenty of allocations.
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You just want to order a vehicle and need to find a dealer with an allocation. Nothing special about that and no extremely long wait time. Also search and see if your combo is already built sitting on a dealer lot, especially if you are going after a popular color. X5M only has 3 packages to offer and a large percentage of them are already competition models, so you may be lucky finding your config.
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call around otherdealers and ask for allocation/production number. I live in CO and bought my X5Mc from MD. Ordered 8/5/21 delivered 1/7/22. its was Special order though-individual color. Good luck!
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My previous X5 and X5M took 4 weeks from order to delivery in the east coast. Granted this was before covid delays but there can't be THAT many people buying 125K suvs requiring 8 months to get. It all comes down to if that dealership has any allocation and how many people are in front of you. Small low volume dealers might not get as many M car allocations.

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Just so you're using the right terminology that is NOT a "special order" it's a "customer order" or priority 1 car and it's no different than if the dealer orders it. That's very important.

All a dealer lot car is, is this:

* Dealer gets an allocation
* Dealer configs a spec
* Factory builds to spec & delivers to dealer

What you're talking about is no different:

* Dealer gets an allocation
* Dealer configs a spec (your spec)
* Factory builds to spec & delivers to dealer

The dealer can change the spec of any of their allocations up until the car goes into production so if they have an allocation not in production yet with their spec, they can just update it to your spec or any other spec they want. If you want a black/black m sport and the dealer already has one of their allocations config'd as that, then you're good to go. If not, then they just update their allocation from white/black m sport to black/black m sport and put your name on the paperwork.

Without going into all the nitty-gritty and exceptions, that's the process.

So if a dealer is telling you 8 months it actually means they don't have an allocation they want to give you for 8 months, not that that's generically how long it takes for ANY dealer to get ANY spec'd X5M.

Net-net:
Start emailing dealers all over the country and ask a simple question:
Hi dealer, I'd like to order an X5M, do you currently have an allocation for an X5M?
DO NOT SAY "SPECIAL ORDER"!

When you find a dealer that says yes, then negotiate price. If you don't like the price use a different dealer.

There are plenty of dealers with plenty of allocations.
Wow... I really enjoy and appreciate GrussGott's postings. I tend to learn something new and be educated at the end of my reading.

Please don't stop sharing your experience!
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There could also be very few allocations at this point. Would love to know what you find out after your research.

When I ordered mine my dealer did not have an allocation but said that if he has an order in the system he will usually get an allocation within 30 days. We put my order in and he had a new allocation within 3 weeks.
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Local dealer here has new 2022 X5MC, MBB, no other options, right on the showroom floor.
MSRP $116K plus $399 service fee and $10,000 "market adjustment"
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My local dealer has one available with a nice $16k market adjustment
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Nope. I'm just talking about a special order where I stipulate the options and colors from the standard lineup.
Just so you're using the right terminology that is NOT a "special order" it's a "customer order" or priority 1 car and it's no different than if the dealer orders it. That's very important.

All a dealer lot car is, is this:

* Dealer gets an allocation
* Dealer configs a spec
* Factory builds to spec & delivers to dealer

What you're talking about is no different:

* Dealer gets an allocation
* Dealer configs a spec (your spec)
* Factory builds to spec & delivers to dealer

The dealer can change the spec of any of their allocations up until the car goes into production so if they have an allocation not in production yet with their spec, they can just update it to your spec or any other spec they want. If you want a black/black m sport and the dealer already has one of their allocations config'd as that, then you're good to go. If not, then they just update their allocation from white/black m sport to black/black m sport and put your name on the paperwork.

Without going into all the nitty-gritty and exceptions, that's the process.

So if a dealer is telling you 8 months it actually means they don't have an allocation they want to give you for 8 months, not that that's generically how long it takes for ANY dealer to get ANY spec'd X5M.

Net-net:
Start emailing dealers all over the country and ask a simple question:
Hi dealer, I'd like to order an X5M, do you currently have an allocation for an X5M?
DO NOT SAY "SPECIAL ORDER"!

When you find a dealer that says yes, then negotiate price. If you don't like the price use a different dealer.

There are plenty of dealers with plenty of allocations.
Sadly I'm agreeing with Gruss more and more. And I hate myself for it. But he's right. Put in our order on December 29, 2020 and the car was at the dealer before the end of Black History Month. All the stuff we wanted. None of what we didn't. Also it's a lease so if we don't want it at the end it's the finance company's problem. Granted I'm in agreement with Jeremy Grantham that we are on the precipice of a "super-bubble" so I wouldn't pay any of these "market adjustments" but it's a lovely car for the right price. If they still offered the star spoke rims I'd sell mine and get a new one. Just wait on the millennial millionaires to realize their NFTs aren't really real after the bubble pops and buy one then. 6-8 months maybe?
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      01-22-2022, 10:35 AM   #15
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Just so you're using the right terminology that is NOT a "special order" it's a "customer order" or priority 1 car and it's no different than if the dealer orders it. That's very important.

All a dealer lot car is, is this:

* Dealer gets an allocation
* Dealer configs a spec
* Factory builds to spec & delivers to dealer

What you're talking about is no different:

* Dealer gets an allocation
* Dealer configs a spec (your spec)
* Factory builds to spec & delivers to dealer

The dealer can change the spec of any of their allocations up until the car goes into production so if they have an allocation not in production yet with their spec, they can just update it to your spec or any other spec they want. If you want a black/black m sport and the dealer already has one of their allocations config'd as that, then you're good to go. If not, then they just update their allocation from white/black m sport to black/black m sport and put your name on the paperwork.

Without going into all the nitty-gritty and exceptions, that's the process.

So if a dealer is telling you 8 months it actually means they don't have an allocation they want to give you for 8 months, not that that's generically how long it takes for ANY dealer to get ANY spec'd X5M.

Net-net:
Start emailing dealers all over the country and ask a simple question:
Hi dealer, I'd like to order an X5M, do you currently have an allocation for an X5M?
DO NOT SAY "SPECIAL ORDER"!

When you find a dealer that says yes, then negotiate price. If you don't like the price use a different dealer.

There are plenty of dealers with plenty of allocations.
Appreciate the tips. I have discussed with every dealer within 500 miles of where I live. I have explained in the most simplest form I can come up with; “what can you do to help me get one as soon as possible?” Every one of them has told me the same thing…they have none inbound, have no allocations, they can trade for an allocation from another dealer but it’s still going to take 4-5 months. M5s are even harder to come by. They are saying 8-9 months because they come from Germany. It’s just crazy right now. The other part is that I refuse to pay any markup. That part is on me, I get it. And yes I’m being stubborn. But I’m already going to pay 6 figures for a car, an additional 15% or more is just shear greed and I can’t be a part of enabling them to continue doing so. My local dealer is prepared to sell me the next M5 that comes on the lot at MSRP. I just have to wait awhile and be patient.
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Appreciate the tips. I have discussed with every dealer within 500 miles of where I live. I have explained in the most simplest form I can come up with; “what can you do to help me get one as soon as possible?” Every one of them has told me the same thing…they have none inbound, have no allocations, they can trade for an allocation from another dealer but it’s still going to take 4-5 months. M5s are even harder to come by. They are saying 8-9 months because they come from Germany. It’s just crazy right now. The other part is that I refuse to pay any markup. That part is on me, I get it. And yes I’m being stubborn. But I’m already going to pay 6 figures for a car, an additional 15% or more is just shear greed and I can’t be a part of enabling them to continue doing so. My local dealer is prepared to sell me the next M5 that comes on the lot at MSRP. I just have to wait awhile and be patient.
My guess the dealers are blowing you off because you refuse to pay over msrp (with reason!)

They rather save the allocation for someone who is willing to pay extra.
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I see one on the west coast and one on the east coast for builds

There are less than 40 available slots right now in the entire US so that's why you are seeing the markup game.

Shoot me a PM, and I'll try to get you a March production slot. It should arrive by late april if not sooner.
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Just so you're using the right terminology that is NOT a "special order" it's a "customer order" or priority 1 car and it's no different than if the dealer orders it. That's very important.

All a dealer lot car is, is this:

* Dealer gets an allocation
* Dealer configs a spec
* Factory builds to spec & delivers to dealer

What you're talking about is no different:

* Dealer gets an allocation
* Dealer configs a spec (your spec)
* Factory builds to spec & delivers to dealer

The dealer can change the spec of any of their allocations up until the car goes into production so if they have an allocation not in production yet with their spec, they can just update it to your spec or any other spec they want. If you want a black/black m sport and the dealer already has one of their allocations config'd as that, then you're good to go. If not, then they just update their allocation from white/black m sport to black/black m sport and put your name on the paperwork.

Without going into all the nitty-gritty and exceptions, that's the process.

So if a dealer is telling you 8 months it actually means they don't have an allocation they want to give you for 8 months, not that that's generically how long it takes for ANY dealer to get ANY spec'd X5M.

Net-net:
Start emailing dealers all over the country and ask a simple question:
Hi dealer, I'd like to order an X5M, do you currently have an allocation for an X5M?
DO NOT SAY "SPECIAL ORDER"!

When you find a dealer that says yes, then negotiate price. If you don't like the price use a different dealer.

There are plenty of dealers with plenty of allocations.
Appreciate the tips. I have discussed with every dealer within 500 miles of where I live. I have explained in the most simplest form I can come up with; “what can you do to help me get one as soon as possible?” Every one of them has told me the same thing…they have none inbound, have no allocations, they can trade for an allocation from another dealer but it’s still going to take 4-5 months. M5s are even harder to come by. They are saying 8-9 months because they come from Germany. It’s just crazy right now. The other part is that I refuse to pay any markup. That part is on me, I get it. And yes I’m being stubborn. But I’m already going to pay 6 figures for a car, an additional 15% or more is just shear greed and I can’t be a part of enabling them to continue doing so. My local dealer is prepared to sell me the next M5 that comes on the lot at MSRP. I just have to wait awhile and be patient.
Have you considered a broker? I got my car last year that way and I kicked myself for waiting so long to use one.
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And yes I’m being stubborn.
Cool, me too. Use Next Level Auto Brokers or email around the country until you find an allocation and then do PCD.

My -4% - PenFed last Nov would've paid for 5 trips to Spartanburg.

That's what I was prepared to do (roadtrip to Spartanburg & back) but then I found a local dealer willing to discount so I went that route. (but even so, I gave up 2% for the favor!)
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Nope. I'm just talking about a special order where I stipulate the options and colors from the standard lineup.
Just so you're using the right terminology that is NOT a "special order" it's a "customer order" or priority 1 car and it's no different than if the dealer orders it. That's very important.

All a dealer lot car is, is this:

* Dealer gets an allocation
* Dealer configs a spec
* Factory builds to spec & delivers to dealer

What you're talking about is no different:

* Dealer gets an allocation
* Dealer configs a spec (your spec)
* Factory builds to spec & delivers to dealer

The dealer can change the spec of any of their allocations up until the car goes into production so if they have an allocation not in production yet with their spec, they can just update it to your spec or any other spec they want. If you want a black/black m sport and the dealer already has one of their allocations config'd as that, then you're good to go. If not, then they just update their allocation from white/black m sport to black/black m sport and put your name on the paperwork.

Without going into all the nitty-gritty and exceptions, that's the process.

So if a dealer is telling you 8 months it actually means they don't have an allocation they want to give you for 8 months, not that that's generically how long it takes for ANY dealer to get ANY spec'd X5M.

Net-net:
Start emailing dealers all over the country and ask a simple question:
Hi dealer, I'd like to order an X5M, do you currently have an allocation for an X5M?
DO NOT SAY "SPECIAL ORDER"!

When you find a dealer that says yes, then negotiate price. If you don't like the price use a different dealer.

There are plenty of dealers with plenty of allocations.
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Absolutely ridiculous on market adjustments. Got my 22 X5M for 3.5 percent off MSRP (this was one on the lot, too).
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Absolutely ridiculous on market adjustments. Got my 22 X5M for 3.5 percent off MSRP (this was one on the lot, too).
Between the ADMs and the new BMW designs I'm finding it hard to get excited about the brand anymore.
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