[scotchy]

Originally Posted by ///Armin

We have both a Macan GTS and a 50i...

Thanks, yeah if we were getting the Porsche it would have ended up being the turbo, but the face lifted ones are too far out to wait. Currently have a Mercedes GLC43 which is such an awesome car to drive, 30months in and still love it. Considered the GLC63S, have driven them a few times and love it but even with the facelift/added power, it felt too much like buying the same car we have.

lol @ the soccer mom comparison. Pitchfork wielding 40i owners are on your doorstep. The 40i felt surprisingly good for throttle response/power, but there's a big difference in driving feel even with a .5 second 0-60 that imo will put a much bigger grin on your face when driving.

Put a deposit on an M50i last night. Just waiting for confirmation that it's still available. (SA is sourcing it from another dealership)

[///Armin]

Didnt mean 40i is for soccer moms, I would personally pick it over the Macan GTS, it feels more powerful for sure. Bmw has done a fantastic job with both cars.

Congrats!

[rebekahb]

Originally Posted by Fdmcg

Well that should generate some feed back.

"Feed back" started before I could even post.

Soccer mom=a Tahoe, Suburban or Yukon to me😂

We were looking at leasing a 40i first and then once my husband drove the M50i he was sold. When we ran the numbers, it wasn't really much more expensive/month.

[magna6882]

every day i drive my 50i i put myself into the drivers set at let her run a couple times. Makes me smile and life is short. My wife could care less and wants a soft ride so owns a q7. I guess it comes down to whats fun. Logic tells me to go electric and we almost did with last years x5hybrid for my wife but the audi still rang her chain. If you dont like the torque and sound dont wast your money.

[scotchy]

Originally Posted by magna6882

every day i drive my 50i i put myself into the drivers set at let her run a couple times. Makes me smile and life is short. My wife could care less and wants a soft ride so owns a q7. I guess it comes down to whats fun. Logic tells me to go electric and we almost did with last years x5hybrid for my wife but the audi still rang her chain. If you dont like the torque and sound dont wast your money.

I love driving and will continue to until we're no longer allowed to, lol. Current car has all of the auto cruise/self driving/safety functions that were available in 2017 when purchased, but other than the emerg braking they're all shut off or never used. Will go electric too at some point but I think it's not quite there yet. This'll be the first v8 I've had, looking forward both the torque and the sound! 👍

[GKP009]

Has Bmw fixed the reliability on the n63tu3 engine for the m50i. Really want to go for the m50i but hesitant because of all the reliability issues in the past with the v8.

[goobies818]

Originally Posted by GKP009

Has Bmw fixed the reliability on the n63tu3 engine for the m50i. Really want to go for the m50i but hesitant because of all the reliability issues in the past with the v8.

The current v8 is on its 3rd technical update since the original n63 that came around 2008 or so.

Compared to the initial iteration…this is a different and more reliable power plant.

Thst being said, since this is a hot vee configuration and the cooling system has lots of plastic parts…things will eventually get brittle and fail/leak overtime. So that’s something to take into consideration. As far as sudden death issues where the motor will self destruct…I don’t think there are many common issues with this iteration but I could be wrong

[Rik762]

Originally Posted by goobies818

The current v8 is on its 3rd technical update since the original n63 that came around 2008 or so.

Compared to the initial iteration…this is a different and more reliable power plant.

Thst being said, since this is a hot vee configuration and the cooling system has lots of plastic parts…things will eventually get brittle and fail/leak overtime. So that’s something to take into consideration. As far as sudden death issues where the motor will self destruct…I don’t think there are many common issues with this iteration but I could be wrong

Well thanks! Just ordered one and that really has sowed the seeds of doubt.

[GKP009]

Originally Posted by Rik762

Well thanks! Just ordered one and that really has sowed the seeds of doubt.

I am thinking of leasing it as I am worried about long term reliability. Talking to local mechanics, they feel that these engines generate a lot of heat and eventually will result in some damage to nearby parts beyond 60k miles on the engine. I am not much of an expert but it does make sense and this issue has plagued a lot of the TTv8s.

[FCX5]

Originally Posted by scotchy

Finalizing a deal to get one of the 2.
Been reading thru the threads the last few days and couldn't find too much on this.

Cosmetically is there any difference in the exterior/interior (other than badging) on them? (40i has Msport, both are very similarly well optioned)
Other than the price difference and fuel economy, is there any other reason why you'd go with a 40i over the M50i? Thanks!!

To me leasing is like renting. Would you rent a more expensive home than you need or can afford to buy? Some would, some would not. It depends on which camp you are in…

[GKP009]

Originally Posted by FCX5

To me leasing is like renting. Would you rent a more expensive home than you need or can afford to buy? Some would, some would not. It depends on which camp you are in…

FCX5, You bring up a very valid point. There are pros and cons for both but from a financial perspective if you can afford it, buying is the way to go. I have never leased a car before and I also want to enjoy a V8 before they become obsolete. I am thinking of leasing the m50i because I test drove it and really enjoyed it. Having said that from all that I have read it's reliability is questionable. And so I do not want to get stuck with hassles down the road beyond 50k miles and even though there are plenty of drivers with no issues, there are on the same token enough with serious issues that brings a pause in my mind. Maybe it is not a wise move but then again life is short.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by GKP009

Having said that from all that I have read it's reliability is questionable. And so I do not want to get stuck with hassles down the road beyond 50k miles and even though there are plenty of drivers with no issues, there are on the same token enough with serious issues that brings a pause in my mind. Maybe it is not a wise move but then again life is short.

I have not seen any of that with the latest generation can you provide some details?

[kolosy]

Originally Posted by FCX5

To me leasing is like renting. Would you rent a more expensive home than you need or can afford to buy? Some would, some would not. It depends on which camp you are in…

leasing is just a financing instrument, and really is separate from what you can afford and what you "need" (that last one being kind of irrelevant when talking about $100K SUVs.) For a long time, BMW leases were so cheap that it was almost a no brainer if you wanted to have a newer car all the time. They're still the cheapest (w/r/t residuals and MF) of their direct competitors.

[FCX5]

Originally Posted by kolosy

leasing is just a financing instrument, and really is separate from what you can afford and what you "need" (that last one being kind of irrelevant when talking about $100K SUVs.) For a long time, BMW leases were so cheap that it was almost a no brainer if you wanted to have a newer car all the time. They're still the cheapest (w/r/t residuals and MF) of their direct competitors.

If one changes cars every 3 years. Leasing a BMW compared to any other luxury brand is probably the best value.

I consider a lease like a rental with an option to buy at the end. I keep my cars for 5-6 years so it's always buy plus extended warranty. I was always tempted to lease a more expensive car than I was buying. LOL

[GKP009]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I have not seen any of that with the latest generation can you provide some details?

I have not seen any with the newer version either but it maybe too early in the game. IT has been only 3 years since the last iteration is out and maybe we will see some in the next year or two once these cars reach the 60-70k miles range. Hopefully not. Though there is a lawsuit out there claiming newer engines have oil consumption issues like the old ones.
https://bimmerlife.com/2019/06/01/up...ption-lawsuit/

[goobies818]

Originally Posted by kolosy

leasing is just a financing instrument, and really is separate from what you can afford and what you "need" (that last one being kind of irrelevant when talking about $100K SUVs.) For a long time, BMW leases were so cheap that it was almost a no brainer if you wanted to have a newer car all the time. They're still the cheapest (w/r/t residuals and MF) of their direct competitors.

One of the things to consider with leasing is sale tax. When you lease...depending on your state...you can pay tax on the initial acquisition of the vehicle, then you pay tax on each monthly payment...and finally if you decide to buyout the lease at any point...tax again on the buyout. If you live in a high tax state like CA...where the sales tax is around 9% i believe...you're talking some serious money going to your state's coffers.

if you purchase upfront...you only pay tax once.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by goobies818

One of the things to consider with leasing is sale tax. When you lease...depending on your state...you can pay tax on the initial acquisition of the vehicle, then you pay tax on each monthly payment...and finally if you decide to buyout the lease at any point...tax again on the buyout. If you live in a high tax state like CA...where the sales tax is around 9% i believe...you're talking some serious money going to your state's coffers.

if you purchase upfront...you only pay tax once.

There are no states that I know of where you pay sales tax on the initial acquisition and then again on the monthly payments. There are some where you have to pay the sales tax up front on the entire selling price (Texas, VA, MD, etc) and some where you pay the sales tax up front on the total of lease payments (NY, NJ, etc.) but in both cases you do not pay sales tax on the monthly payments.

You would be fine in CA and other states, with the likely exception of Texas and Maryland,, since when you buy out the lease you are only taxed on the buyout price.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by GKP009

I have not seen any with the newer version either but it maybe too early in the game. IT has been only 3 years since the last iteration is out and maybe we will see some in the next year or two once these cars reach the 60-70k miles range. Hopefully not. Though there is a lawsuit out there claiming newer engines have oil consumption issues like the old ones.
https://bimmerlife.com/2019/06/01/up...ption-lawsuit/

I put off my M50i purchase until after the LCI so if there are design issues they hopefully will show up by then. I personally am not worried about it though, you only go around once in life. If really concerned you can always buy an extended warranty to cover you for a few more years.

[GKP009]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I put off my M50i purchase until after the LCI so if there are design issues they hopefully will show up by then. I personally am not worried about it though, you only go around once in life. If really concerned you can always buy an extended warranty to cover you for a few more years.

Agree. I am going to go for it and see what happens. Fingers crossed!!

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by GKP009

Agree. I am going to go for it and see what happens. Fingers crossed!!

Wish you the best.

[kolosy]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

There are no states that I know of where you pay sales tax on the initial acquisition and then again on the monthly payments. There are some where you have to pay the sales tax up front on the entire selling price (Texas, VA, MD, etc) and some where you pay the sales tax up front on the total of lease payments (NY, NJ, etc.) but in both cases you do not pay sales tax on the monthly payments.

You would be fine in CA and other states, with the likely exception of Texas and Maryland,, since when you buy out the lease you are only taxed on the buyout price.

Chicago (bless their heart) does this. It’s a lease tax, and ups the monthly payment by $100+ depending on overall payment price.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by kolosy

Chicago (bless their heart) does this. It’s a lease tax, and ups the monthly payment by $100+ depending on overall payment price.

Not sure what you are referring to them doing. It sounds like a city sales tax and not double taxation since they don't require you to pay for the full amount when the lease is signed.

Edit: Or are you saying that that they charge city sales tax on the full amount of the lease at signing and then collect a lease tax on each of the lease payments?

Edit2: It is not a double tax but rather a separate tax that is on all personal property leases in the city and it added to the monthly payments like you mentioned. Since Illinois changed their lease taxing law back in 2014 you don't pay the sales tax on a lease up front anymore. So in the case of Chicago you would pay the 10% or so sales tax and the 9% lease tax on your monthly payments.

https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/dept...actiontax.html