[Murf993]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Again, this is not what I was suggesting. I don't really want to jump into this topic because it's such a hot button, but no one is going to eliminate the 2A, period. As I stated a moment ago, a huge majority of Americans (I can't speak for Canadians) would like to see universal background checks and no loopholes. I just think some people start foaming at the mouth whenever they hear anything that sounds like (in their mind) that someone is coming to take your firearms away. I don't believe that's what we're talking about here.

Back to the article I linked, that dude clearly has issues and killed two officers in his backyard for a ridiculous reason. I'm not saying there may have been red flags easily identified with this individual, but who knows?

To clarify my point of view, I'm not blaming the gun here. I'm blaming the owner of said gun.

No worries, I just started rambling on. It's a topic near and dear to my heart in Canada. My wife and I enjoy shooting for sport, and are concerned that the actions of criminals will result in more restrictions on us.

[Frostynorth]

Originally Posted by Murf993

No worries, I just started rambling on. It's a topic near and dear to my heart in Canada. My wife and I enjoy shooting for sport, and are concerned that the actions of criminals will result in more restrictions on us.

Got my PAL/RPAL last year. No doubt more restrictions are coming.

[detroitm2]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Is that what I said? No, it is not. If you are a responsible gun owner, you shouldn't have any issue. This is another issue. Just a hint of trying to do something about preventing nutbags from so easily obtaining firearms and people go full attack mode. Fact of the matter is a large majority of Americans support universal background checks, well over 90% I believe.

Thats assuming that the person in this case would not have passed a background check. Theres plenty of instances of unstable individuals that have 100% clean records and use their legally obtained firearms to commit crimes.

On top of that, criminals have other means to get guns if they want them.

While Im not necessarily against background checks in general, I don't think it's the silver bullet to "fix" the problem. It also gives the anti-2A folks yet another point in their long-running game to basically repeal 2A. And before you go on a tangent about "thats not what anyone wants!" That is exactly what some people want, to repeal the 2nd amendment and implement a 100% gun ban for private citizens. They've tried to do this before (See Assault Rifle Ban of 1994), but then found that the definition of an "Assault Rifle" didn't have the intended effect they wanted. Furthermore, it didn't work. The amount of gun-related crimes was not reduced by any measurable amount that could be attributed to the law being put into effects.

And now they're at it again, another "Assault Rifle Ban" is being thrown around in 2021.

This was a bit of a soapbox, and more pointed at a general comment. So please do not think I was pointing all these comments directly at you, specifically.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by Frostynorth

Got my PAL/RPAL last year. No doubt more restrictions are coming.

The sad thing is, more restrictions on folks who obey the law won't stop the senseless violence.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The people that shouldn't have them will steal them or make them. MORE infringement laws won't change that. You can essentially 3D Copy a gun in your own home these days.


Actually no. People support background checks - which we already have - but not a gun registry. The "universal background check" you're referencing is a universal gun registry. We do not support that. Our guns are already registered. This UBC the left speaks of is a conduit for unfair prosecution and confiscation.

And this is a perfect example of why this is such a complicated and hotly debated subject. It also doesn't help our country has so many f'n idiots and lunatics. Personally I kind've wish we could go back to a time when there was no social media. I truly believe that is one thing that has exacerbated the problems we see in society today. When I was growing up (now 52), I don't remember having so many problems, or at least I wasn't aware of them as much as I am now. Shit spreads so fast nowadays, including lies, that you can't simply stamp it out. Once something is out there, it does irreparable damage.

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

Maybe it’s because I have an upside down ///M badge which reads W\\\428i. Think I should remove it?

I would have pulled you over too!

[Frostynorth]

Originally Posted by Murf993

The sad thing is, more restrictions on folks who obey the law won't stop the senseless violence.

Criminals be criminals. Laws just make it more of a pain for the ones who know and follow the rules, just like the failed gun registry after a few billion dollars.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by detroitm2

.... That is exactly what some people want, to repeal the 2nd amendment and implement a 100% gun ban for private citizens. They've tried to do this before (See Assault Rifle Ban of 1994), but then found that the definition of an "Assault Rifle" didn't have the intended effect they wanted. Furthermore, it didn't work....

Oh, the bill Ronald Reagan supported????
Must have been terrible!!!!

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Murf993

The sad thing is, more restrictions on folks who obey the law won't stop the senseless violence.

No, but thinking up ways to restrict the non-law abiding has been shown to lessen the gun carnage.

[NorCalAthlete]

I've literally written entire essays, articles, etc on the gun debate so I don't want to get too into it here but I'll just say this as a cautionary note - 90% of anyone agreeing on anything should make you deeply suspicious of how the people doing the survey came up with that number.

If we applied the same scrutiny and standards to the way data is analyzed and gathered for the gun debate as we do for say, the vaccine debate and other hard science issues, we would be having a drastically different conversation about guns. Unfortunately, when it comes to guns, everyone flips sides.

I'll leave it at that.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Frostynorth

Criminals be criminals. Laws just make it more of a pain for the ones who know and follow the rules, just like the failed gun registry after a few billion dollars.

Effective laws & enforcement of such are pillars of civilization. Probably not wise to abandon them yet.
So who is failing us in getting such?

[Frostynorth]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Effective laws & enforcement of such are pillars of civilization. Probably not wise to abandon them yet.
So who is failing us in getting such?

That's the question isn't it, more laws have been largely ineffective up here.
How is the trafficking of illegal firearms stopped. How do we prevent the bad from getting them while still respecting the rights of others. There's no easy solution.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Frostynorth

That's the question isn't it, more laws have been largely ineffective up here.
How is the trafficking of illegal firearms stopped. How do we prevent the bad from getting them while still respecting the rights of others. There's no easy solution.

But there is surely no reason to sit tight.

[Frostynorth]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

But there is surely no reason to sit tight.

Of course. It will be baby steps, one issue at a time.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Frostynorth

Of course. It will be baby steps, one issue at a time.

As long as we go in the right direction (no pun intended)....

[paquet]

I have huge respect for Sedan_Clan for explaining the issue with calls for so-called gun "registries" in the US.

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

TThis UBC the left speaks of is a conduit for unfair prosecution and confiscation.

I'm a Canadian who is a snowbird in the US in the winter months.

The morons in the Canadian federal government have already rolled out that gun ban / confiscation law - and it's going to make no difference at all.

Can't use a gun for home defense in Canada anyway (which is why I reluctantly chose to not have a firearm in Canada - who loses? the economy does)

Having read up on firearm law in the US and in Canada, I find it particularly tedious when people don't understand how the law works in terms of full auto / background checks / waiting periods, etc etc in the US.
In Canada, it's really easy: "you can't have it... bitch"

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by packet

.... Having read up on firearm law in the US and in Canada, I find it particularly tedious when people don't understand how the law works in terms of full auto / background checks / waiting periods, etc etc in the US....

How the law works? It don't, and needs to be fixed.
Or we can suck our thumbs.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

How the law works? It don't, and needs to be fixed.
Or we can suck our thumbs.

At some point you will come to realize that you can't fix people with more laws.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

At some point you will come to realize that you can't fix people with more laws.

Who said that before? Charlemagne? George Washington? Or was it Lincoln?

I know! It was the Russian Times, trying to damage the US society!

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by packet

I have huge respect for Sedan_Clan for explaining the issue with calls for so-called gun "registries" in the US.



I'm a Canadian who is a snowbird in the US in the winter months.

The morons in the Canadian federal government have already rolled out that gun ban / confiscation law - and it's going to make no difference at all.

Can't use a gun for home defense in Canada anyway (which is why I reluctantly chose to not have a firearm in Canada - who loses? the economy does)

Having read up on firearm law in the US and in Canada, I find it particularly tedious when people don't understand how the law works in terms of full auto / background checks / waiting periods, etc etc in the US.
In Canada, it's really easy: "you can't have it... bitch"

I'm not sure why you'd say you can't use a gun to defend yourself in Canada. The Criminal code is pretty clear about that. The reality is this, if you use a firearm to protect yourself and your family you will in all likelyhood find yourself charged criminally. Having said that almost no one has ever been convicted. At the end of the day that is a risk I will take against the alternative of being the victim. I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Murf993

I'm not sure why you'd say you can't use a gun to defend yourself in Canada. The Criminal code is pretty clear about that. The reality is this, if you use a firearm to protect yourself and your family you will in all likelyhood find yourself charged criminally. Having said that almost no one has ever been convicted. At the end of the day that is a risk I will take against the alternative of being the victim. I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

Yeah, more hysteria from the gun crowd. It's epidemic.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Yeah, more hysteria from the gun crowd. It's epidemic.

Most of what the gun crowds mentions is truth. Just because you're anti gun doesn't change that or make advocates hysterical.