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I was able to sample several X1, X3 and F30 3er models while dropping my 1M off for routine services and the and X1 was the most fun. I even prefer the little sdrive 28 because I'm not going to pretend I'll ever need 4WD and i don't need a sports car for my daily. With full tread Michelin AS3+ it will go anywhere I need to go. |
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Why not connect the headlamp to the grill and keep similar shape of taillight? The G05 definitely takes a step back from F15.
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What are you confused about? You wanted to complain about the car's interior being deceiving, got called on it, made up a thing about how you didn't like that it had options... why does whether or not I own an old X5 matter?
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- I like the E84 and truly wanted to like the new one. Can not. There is no comparison between the two. While the old one was a 3 Series (bread and butter for BMW) with nice fit and finish, the new one is so cheap and terrible built that really was succesful at building the cheap niche of X1. And LOL is not more confortable, please try the old seats versus the toilet seating position and the narrow dimensions of new seats and get back to us. A little bigger person wont fit in those seats. The back seat of E84 is a full couch with no delimitations while the new one is less seats and even no C pillar Soft upholstery. Ergonomy is terrible as well, please use the old one and its shifter and get into the new one and see how everything is. Also drive the E84 on a long trip and the new one with no leg support and see how you feel after that. I know very well how both behave on long trips. - driving is not better, is slow, is boaty, is lazy, - in terms of looks I love mine, is a matter of taste. As a note I dont dislike the look (exterior only!) of the new one either. Interior, the old one rules hands down. - X1 was never a super family car. It is perfect for my needs and my family size. Otherwise I will look further to something that will fit my needs. Old X1 and new X1 are not vehicle for a family, but they are good comuters for one or two individuals or families with one or even two kids. This comment is futile for me anyway and has the same value as a comment made by a sedan guy towards a Coupe guy. Different needs, different choices. - obviously you come again with the “numbers talk”. I have no ideea what numbers are you talking about. If ee talk about technical numbers, the old one takes the crap out of new one. If you talk sales, again, in your market was shortly lived. So, use your common sense. - from driving dynamics, handling, road feeling and response, HPS versus EPS, power, road behaviour, quality, fit and finish, nice sound system with nice speakers, dual subs, amplifier, equalizer, proper sunshade, etc, etc, technical aproach, fun factor, lower COG, RWD transmission with TRUE Xdrive and not SHITTY HALDEX, there is no comparison. If I want a Haldex I can buy a better car for less money. Lots of them out there. But, I will close the conversation here, obviously, all you do is chit chat in here with generic ideas, ignoring technical facts and what makes a BMW a BMW. The new x1 is not one, sorry. But I leave you with your poor thoughts, bottom line, this proves why and how people lbuy those things and doesnt bother me at all. Not everybody is into technical or really feels a car. For many is just a new thing and has the right badge.... That’s fine. Case closed for me. Cheers! Last edited by Teutonic; 06-07-2018 at 09:04 PM.. |
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First of all, the sales number says nothing about the value of a vehicle from the technical point of view. Toyota sells a lot of shity simple junk, but it doesn’t mean is a “good formula” vehicle. Corolla is the example of mediocrity, actually is a very shitty car but it was reliable and good for non knowleadgeable people ( you know, those ones that “represent the buying public”). A to B proper moving umbrella, nothing more. I dont like the new one because I have the old one? Didn’t I say that wanted to like the new one? I can not afford the new one or what the heck are you insinuating? You have no ideea what I have in my garage so stop insinuating things that you have no clue about. The new one is cheap in every aspect and don’t see value in it. I think I have a good level of knowledge in the field and can see where is value and where not. A Haldex is still a haldex, cheap material is still cheap material and cuting corners is cuting corners. I have and had all kind of cars but that doesnt stop me to criticise them when that is the truth. In conformity with your poor logic, all the good vehicles that did not sell were not “a winning formula”. History of automobile is full of extraordinary vehicles that did not sell, yet many are selling now for millions of dollars. X1 was sold in excellent numbers, especially Europe. North America likes tanks and boat vehicles while Europe likes small, nimble and fast vehicles (no cupholders please). The new X1 looks bigger and has a different presence. The old X1 was sold in very good numbers. Widen your spectrum, US is not the center of the world. Now since you brought it up, yes, this is a very poor argument to bring in or rely on to justify a vehicle’s success. Depends what success. If you want a successful vehicle go and buy the RAV 4. What are you doing here? Has four wheels, one steering wheel and takes care properly of “four people and their belongings”. No one makes a copycat of the X1? LOL man, you make me laugh really hard, actually all your arguments made my day! How many copycats of old vehicles do you see usually? Anyway, do you realize that you are praising a UKL FWd platform over a 3 Series RWD platform? So, as a conclusion, now do you understand that is A LOT cheaper (while the new X1 still started with over $2000 more) to produce the new X1 using a UKL Mini platform, since the 3 Series is a total different league? Now you understand why the E84 was a bargain for the money and drives much much better? Or you will keep your uneducated opinion and will continue to claim that Mini is a better platform than 3 Series? In here, many of us are puting accent on a lot of things and never on sale numbers. BMW is not a vehicle for a cold heart accountant but for a rebel that like the engine heartbeat, feelings, responsiveness, emotions. It is not uncommon to hear that the old X1 gives back so much feeling and responsiveness while the new X1 is “sterile”. Based on your comments all I can say is that you know nothing about the old X1. Yeah, you can’t tell the difference. I get it. |
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The old X1 is hideous, and way too cramped for its size. Sure it was probably more fun to drive than the new one, but not better than a 3 touring. So its worse than the 3 for fun, worse than the new x1 for utility. But why are you even arguing about this in the G05 thread, besides trying to be condescending in your rambling post to your forum mates? |
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