[aussieintexas]

Originally Posted by tbolts1010

Wanted to give a quick run down of my short 5 months of ownership of a 2024 X5 M60i. Ultimately I sold it this weekend and I have to say I don't regret it at all. I bought it thinking it would be a great blend of performance and practicality, but at the end of the day there were far too many annoyances to make me really love the car.

The good: I loved the looks, the comfort, the power (mine was tuned) and the overall handling (other than lift off over-steer which was a bit unnerving)

The bad: To make a long story short, the complete lack of exhaust note was disappointing, the Idrive system was confusing and difficult to use (for me) and the start/stop system drove me nuts. The ventilated seats were also stupid (I live in FL) and for a relatively large SUV, there's absolutely nowhere to put anything other than in the cup holder. The brakes also warped and shuddered badly with only 3k miles on it. I bought the car thinking it would be my send off to the V8, but it didn't really feel like a car with a V8. If I were to do it again, i'd get a regular 40i and modify it.

In the end, it was less about me not liking the X5 and more about me not being able to justify having a 100k dollar car that I didn't truly love. I was hoping it would make me feel like my 07 335i did back in the day and it just didn't do it for me. Not trying to offend anyone, just truly wanted to share my feedback! I still love BMWs and the brand.

Welcome any comments/questions!

What tune did you have on it and what vehicle did you trade it for?

[Scientifix]

The pre-LCI X5 has the auto start/stop button but it can’t be coded to remember the previous setting, correct?
We have a 2018 X3 M40i and I have coded it to remember the previous setting. When my wife drives it she always keeps it on. She likes it for the fact that when stopped at light the engine shuts off and it’s quiet. When I drive her car I shut it off as it drives me nuts.
Having said that, when we test drove the 2024 LCI X5 the auto start stop was so much more subtle compared to our 2018 X3, I could still notice it but was lot less bothersome at least in that test drive

[tbolts1010]

Originally Posted by aussieintexas

What tune did you have on it and what vehicle did you trade it for?

JB4 tune. Traded for a Sierra 1500 for now.

[crackerjack15]

Originally Posted by LOFT

Is it distasteful on this forum of enthusiasts to ask how much money you lose on depreciation on a 5 month trade-in/sale?

No one wants to be miserable on a $100K purchase, but there is an incremental cost to happiness.

Idk. Sticker on x7 m60i was $117,065. I paid around $113k OTD. I traded in 2021 so only paid tax on difference. Trade in was $98k after 4 months. But... they gave me $9500 off the 50e, which had a $85,145 sticker. So, it's hard to figure but I would say I lost $10k.

I'm not counting the cost of the use of it. I put almost 10k miles on it in 4 months.

These cars are an expense any way you look at it.

[X6ix GTA]

Originally Posted by RNorb

I have read on the forum that the mild hybrid setup makes the ASS much more seamless and less noticeable. Apparently that is not the case. Is there anyone who thinks otherwise?

On our 2022 mild hybrid, ASS is very seamless. That being said, the only time we notice it is when it's hot out there. At the traffic lights, engine turns off and the HVAC cooling is reduced. You do feel the cabin getting warmer for a couple of minutes, before the engine kicks in to maintain the cabin temperature. I didn't point it out but my wife picked on it and it annoys her. Luckily we don't get too many of those hot days over here.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Scientifix

The pre-LCI X5 has the auto start/stop button but it can’t be coded to remember the previous setting, correct?
We have a 2018 X3 M40i and I have coded it to remember the previous setting. When my wife drives it she always keeps it on. She likes it for the fact that when stopped at light the engine shuts off and it’s quiet. When I drive her car I shut it off as it drives me nuts.
Having said that, when we test drove the 2024 LCI X5 the auto start stop was so much more subtle compared to our 2018 X3, I could still notice it but was lot less bothersome at least in that test drive

Some do and some don’t but you can code it to remember the last state or just disable the ASS system.

[E70X5M35i]

Originally Posted by AGONXF30

Sometimes a fully loaded 19/20 is the best car for the X5 it seems. After 20, BMW stated to remove items and once the ASS button went, the car no longer became an option for me (I cannot stand that function). Our 19 (Bult in 8/19) is nearly fully loaded and I do not plan on getting rid of for many years to come. It is also only driven around 10K a year so currently it sits at around 40K.

19 xDrive40i here. I'm soooo glad to have the ASS button! I don't know if I could drive a BMW that had that and couldn't be disabled! I don't blame the OP -- ASS is a SUPER annoying feature. No noticeable gas mileage but rather created for emission purposes. Too bad in the latest iDrive update, we can't code it to remember the last setting... that is one annoyance I have but I just press the button as soon as I start the engine.

I also think the LCI updates are ugly. Of course, to each his own. I dislike what they did to the tailights and DEFINITELY dislike the change to one giant curved screen. I think the way ours is with one screen for the entertainment and one for the speedometer and such looks sooo much nicer.

Shoot, in a Tesla, you gotta upgrade to the Model X to get 2 screens!! It's the "cheap" versions that have just one screen. I wish BMW hadn't done that on the latest models..

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Some do and some don’t but you can code it to remember the last state or just disable the ASS system.

Not correct. If you have the latest iDrive update (remote software upgrade), it won't remember the setting / disable it. You have to manually press the button each time you start the car.

If you have an older iDrive version, and you haven't updated to the latest one, yes, you can disable it via bimmercode..

[Vinnrox250]

OP, You nailed it on the head for me. I was ready to go with ordering an X5 M60 to add to the garage with my G80 M3 and my F150 limited. And it would be a send off to the dying V8. My biggest hold back was the lack of a a ASS button. On $100,000 car that’s a V8, no one cares about fuel economy, that is why I didn’t get one.

I looked at the X5M, but it’s just overkill for what I’m wanting and it’s going to be more harsh of a ride; don’t want that for a comfortable highway cruiser.

Smart move to keep a daily (truck) and a sports car separate. It’s worked for me, but I’ve just loved the x5’s but the ass system not being able to be turned off killed it for me. I’ve looked at cpo, but I’m picky. Oh well, saved me money I guess.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by E70X5M35i

Not correct. If you have the latest iDrive update (remote software upgrade), it won't remember the setting / disable it. You have to manually press the button each time you start the car.

If you have an older iDrive version, and you haven't updated to the latest one, yes, you can disable it via bimmercode..

The ability to code off ASS was taken away in 03/2023. My answer was regarding the presence of the button.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by Vinnrox250

OP, You nailed it on the head for me. I was ready to go with ordering an X5 M60 to add to the garage with my G80 M3 and my F150 limited. And it would be a send off to the dying V8. My biggest hold back was the lack of a a ASS button. On $100,000 car that’s a V8, no one cares about fuel economy, that is why I didn’t get one.

I looked at the X5M, but it’s just overkill for what I’m wanting and it’s going to be more harsh of a ride; don’t want that for a comfortable highway cruiser.

Smart move to keep a daily (truck) and a sports car separate. It’s worked for me, but I’ve just loved the x5’s but the ass system not being able to be turned off killed it for me. I’ve looked at cpo, but I’m picky. Oh well, saved me money I guess.

Well said. It’s so irrational to force this on customers buying this type of vehicle. Sounds like the lost quite a few sales over it but I doubt there would care

[Vinnrox250]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

Well said. It’s so irrational to force this on customers buying this type of vehicle. Sounds like the lost quite a few sales over it but I doubt there would care

They’re not going to care. And I get they need to abide by the rules set by EPA and all of that garbage, but to not give us a button is bull. Definitely has me looking at other brands. Benz and Audi have buttons to turn this off in the AMG-lite and S variants. Why bmw doesn’t for their M Lites is such trash.

Maybe cost cutting, like no comfort access on the back doors. That has me salty too. Haha.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Vinnrox250

They’re not going to care. And I get they need to abide by the rules set by EPA and all of that garbage, but to not give us a button is bull. Definitely has me looking at other brands. Benz and Audi have buttons to turn this off in the AMG-lite and S variants. Why bmw doesn’t for their M Lites is such trash.

Maybe cost cutting, like no comfort access on the back doors. That has me salty too. Haha.

They removed the button as part of the mild hybrid system but of course it didn't have to be removed in order for the system to work. Rather than cost cutting they likely did it in order to get the most off-cycle credits that they can.

[RNorb]

Originally Posted by cobramite

You will find many who think otherwise. I dislike the idea of ASS and despise the fact that auto industry hating, tree hugger, bureaucrats are forcing this crap on us.
The ASS in the M60i with mild hybrid is barely noticeable and can be eliminated in Sport which is where I usually am anyway.
In a nutshell ASS sucks but is nothing I would see as anything close to a deal breaker but we all have our own hot buttons.

Did you notice a difference between the M50 and your M60 relative to how the ASS worked?

[Vinnrox250]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

They removed the button as part of the mild hybrid system but of course it didn't have to be removed in order for the system to work. Rather than cost cutting they likely did it in order to get the most off-cycle credits that they can.

Okay that makes logical sense. But still, for consumers, it will likely deter most. Who buys a six figure, v8 suv and would put up with it turning off at low speeds etc. and to drive it in sport all the time isn’t the answer.
Just a bummer. Oh well. It was a want, not a need, so saved me money, until I find something else that catches my eye.

[JMD]

Good write-up! Nothing wrong about being honest!

Have you tried a 50e? I think you may be surprised with its performance. Although I'm in a 45e,...it feels (weight wise) to me like a 50i M Sport! Also, my after driving a 50e, my seat-of-the-pants meter tells me the 50e provides more performance,...in the M Performance Pro specs!

[tinfoiltuna]

I completely agree there's no sense in spending this money and being only partially satisfied.

I have an X7 M60i and don't notice the ASS, but do think the '23 X7 40i (which also has ASS) is significantly more responsive and linear in throttle in the three months I owned one. I mean really significantly. My wife is not a "car person" and she notices. The exhaust on the M60i is also super boring.

With that being said - my wife and I basically share a car since we both work remote most of the week. She wanted the space, I wanted the ridiculousness, big wheels, good DAP, and fun in driving, and couldn't find another vehicle that fit the criteria.

I'm the type who is too impatient to have a special car that I have to wait for the weekends or when I don't have passengers/dogs/kid to drive around, and prefer to use my nice things 24/7. So this was the compromise to make it happen, and so far even with the "what were you thinking BMW" moments - like no comfort access for the rear doors - I still got suckered into it.

Let's see how I feel when the novelty wears off in a few months, maybe I'll be back on forums singing a different tune.

[FLYZ]

I think my biggest frustration with the ASS is not the restart, it is the stop. Since the car shuts off, before it is stopped, there is no pull of the engine against the brakes, so just as the weight shifts and the vehicle is coming to a full stop, the engine and it's resistance to the brakes shuts off creating a jolt at the exact moment of stop. I have had to learn to really feather the brake pedal at the last few feet, even allowing the engine to stop so that it doesn't shudder at stop. As I lift of the gas, the restart is very smooth as an I-6 is perfectly balanced. However, my 2020 doesn't have the 48 volt system, so maybe if I had it, it would stop smoother.

I do love the equipment, etc. on my 2020 40i, though I do with it had the 48 volt system. I appreciate the fact it has an ASS off button too. I just wish the engine shut off after the car stopped.

[E70X5M35i]

Originally Posted by Vinnrox250

My biggest hold back was the lack of a a ASS button. On $100,000 car that’s a V8, no one cares about fuel economy, that is why I didn’t get one.

ASS is not for fuel economy. The amount of fuel you're saving is miniscule. ASS is related to lowering CO2 emissions.

[Vinnrox250]

Originally Posted by E70X5M35i

ASS is not for fuel economy. The amount of fuel you're saving is miniscule. ASS is related to lowering CO2 emissions.

Whatever it’s for, it’s retarded you can’t enable and disable.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by E70X5M35i

ASS is not for fuel economy. The amount of fuel you're saving is miniscule. ASS is related to lowering CO2 emissions.

ASS is for both for less fuel usage and emissions.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

ASS is for both for less fuel usage and emissions.

This is still strange to me. It has rounding error level impact on fuel economy so I really struggle to see that as motivation.

Emissions I don’t know about but I’d guess this to be threshold based - I.e you need to be below a certain mark and there is not additional benefit for being further below that threshold? Even if there was - I still think this would be rounding error as well.

[Vinnrox250]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

ASS is for both for less fuel usage and emissions.

That’s what I thought as well.