[freitz]

All,

I had an early X3 M40i, TL;DR... BMW bought it back and I moved on. picked up a Q5 and my wife drives that today. She barely puts any miles on it so no issues.

Bought a 2018 Ford Expedition - now at 42k Miles on my third set of cam phasers, 2nd set of 4 wheel drive actuator vacuums, third moon roof guides, and 2nd moon roof screen. I'm about to sell this one.

Wanted to get some feedback on the 2020 BMW X5.

I need a vehicle I can put 15-20k on for the next 6 years. So far I haven't had much luck. I also need space for kids stuff and travel and decent enough all wheel drive that I can get through snow. I do a lot of North East Travel.

What kind of issues pop up with this vehicle? Is it safe now assuming they worked out all of the kinks? I bought two first model year cars back to back (BMW X3 M40i and Expedition 2018 redesign) both have been somewhat of a nightmare.

Thanks for the help.

[TXSchnee]

It seems as though issues on the G05 vary depending on which engine you are considering (40i, 45e, M50i). Right now, based on watching the forums, it appears as though the 40i inline 6 has the least problems. None of them seem as bad as your Expedition though.

[vkxkswk_xxxk]

Originally Posted by freitz

All,

I had an early X3 M40i, TL;DR... BMW bought it back and I moved on. picked up a Q5 and my wife drives that today. She barely puts any miles on it so no issues.

Bought a 2018 Ford Expedition - now at 42k Miles on my third set of cam phasers, 2nd set of 4 wheel drive actuator vacuums, third moon roof guides, and 2nd moon roof screen. I'm about to sell this one.

Wanted to get some feedback on the 2020 BMW X5.

I need a vehicle I can put 15-20k on for the next 6 years. So far I haven't had much luck. I also need space for kids stuff and travel and decent enough all wheel drive that I can get through snow. I do a lot of North East Travel.

What kind of issues pop up with this vehicle? Is it safe now assuming they worked out all of the kinks? I bought two first model year cars back to back (BMW X3 M40i and Expedition 2018 redesign) both have been somewhat of a nightmare.

Thanks for the help.

What kind of problems x3 gave you?

[freitz]

Originally Posted by Dan_xxxk

What kind of problems x3 gave you?

Rear output drive shaft, vibrations, uni body sub frame was not square.

[freitz]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

It seems as though issues on the G05 vary depending on which engine you are considering (40i, 45e, M50i). Right now, based on watching the forums, it appears as though the 40i inline 6 has the least problems. None of them seem as bad as your Expedition though.

That comment sounds like I need to keep looking.

How's your Cayenne?

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by freitz

That comment sounds like I need to keep looking.

How's your Cayenne?

So far so good, only have 615 miles on it but zero issues so far (have had it for 2 months). Fit and finish is great, handling for a 2 1/2 ton SUV is phenomenal (I have Air and PDCC), it is also closer in size to my F15 X5 which is a good thing (for me at least). I did have a 45e on order, Cayenne came in first, but the 45e was really nice, drove well but not very sporty.

[freitz]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

So far so good, only have 615 miles on it but zero issues so far (have had it for 2 months). Fit and finish is great, handling for a 2 1/2 ton SUV is phenomenal (I have Air and PDCC), it is also closer in size to my F15 X5 which is a good thing (for me at least). I did have a 45e on order, Cayenne came in first, but the 45e was really nice, drove well but not very sporty.

Thought about grabbing a Cayenne but want something not quite as flashy. Was thinking the X5 but the G05 seems to be riddled with electrical issues. Kind of stuck on where I want to turn esp. with my bad experience with my X3M40i

[TurtleBoy]

For that mileage you may want to look at the Hyundai Palisade. It won't be as sporty or luxurious but a lot less expensive and likely more reliable.

[freitz]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

For that mileage you may want to look at the Hyundai Palisade. It won't be as sporty or luxurious but a lot less expensive and likely more reliable.

Worried that 15-20k to much for the Germans to handle these days?

Honestly, I'd buy a Toyota if they had anything appealing... and they tend to be rust buckets quickly here due to snow/salty winters.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by freitz

Thought about grabbing a Cayenne but want something not quite as flashy. Was thinking the X5 but the G05 seems to be riddled with electrical issues. Kind of stuck on where I want to turn esp. with my bad experience with my X3M40i

I think you may be getting some bad information. The G05 is certainly not riddled with electrical issues. Other than a couple of people who had a leak around the shark fin I don't remember any other electrical related issues.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by freitz

Worried that 15-20k to much for the Germans to handle these days?

I would think they would be able to handle it but many, if not the majority, of your miles would be out of warranty so repairs can be expensive and out of your pocket. With the Hyundai the drive train would still be under warranty for the most part and repairs would be less expensive.

There are numerous reasons to buy a BMW but rarely is reliability on the list. You get one for the enjoyment, driving experience, badge, etc.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by freitz

Thought about grabbing a Cayenne but want something not quite as flashy. Was thinking the X5 but the G05 seems to be riddled with electrical issues. Kind of stuck on where I want to turn esp. with my bad experience with my X3M40i

My G01 M40i has only had one issue, once they figured out the fix, it has been problem free. In fact we decided to keep the G01 for my spouse, he is going to use it as his commuter (whenever he actually goes back to the office). I think the G05 would probably be fine, but I completely understand shying away from a brand you have had issues with (it is why I will never own another GM vehicle).

[freitz]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I would think they would be able to handle it but many, if not the majority, of your miles would be out of warranty so repairs can be expensive and out of your pocket. With the Hyundai the drive train would still be under warranty for the most part and repairs would be less expensive.

There are numerous reasons to buy a BMW but rarely is reliability on the list. You get one for the enjoyment, driving experience, badge, etc.

Good advice

Absolutely - driving dynamics, enjoyment but the badge doesn't matter to me. I like the brand though.

As far as reliability, I don't mind normal high maintenance costs, I ran into some bad luck with my X3M40i, was a unique situation.

But I drive 15-20 miles per year, would like to keep the car between 4-6 years. That puts me between 60-90K Miles. So a little more then half the miles will be out of warranty.

My issue is the bad experience I had has left somewhat of a bad taste in my mouth.

What a world we live in where Hyundai has better reliability then a bmw... Those use to be buy one get an Elantra for free...

[freitz]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

My G01 M40i has only had one issue, once they figured out the fix, it has been problem free. In fact we decided to keep the G01 for my spouse, he is going to use it as his commuter (whenever he actually goes back to the office). I think the G05 would probably be fine, but I completely understand shying away from a brand you have had issues with (it is why I will never own another GM vehicle).

I've never personally had issues with GM, a family member had break fail issues in his Tahoe. Was enough for me that I didn't want to try my luck.

Yeah I had a real early G01 M40i. That was probably part of the issue. Would think the G05 would have worked through most kinks if any.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by freitz

the G05 seems to be riddled with electrical issues.

I entirely agree with TurtleBoy - you can go to the NHTSA site and see the various recalls and SIBs, as well as the Reliability thread where this is discussed. The initial "electrical issues" seem to have been iDrive7 issues that resulted in a lot of rebooting, but those have been fixed.

Subtracting annoying early-on software bugs the G05 is over 90% in both CR and JD Power, and long term reviewers have had zero problems, not to mention all the people on this thread!

Here are JD Power's top 5, the G05 is #4:

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by freitz

I've never personally had issues with GM, a family member had break fail issues in his Tahoe. Was enough for me that I didn't want to try my luck.

Yeah I had a real early G01 M40i. That was probably part of the issue. Would think the G05 would have worked through most kinks if any.

I had 2 different GMs, and both of them ended up with cracked head gaskets. My sister had a similar issue and a few friends had non stop problems with their Silverados. Not giving them the benefit of the doubt for a third time. I think most issues are worked out on the G05, there is currently an ac issue that is only on the V8s but otherwise you should be fine. While it sucks, any brand can sell you a lemon, but if you like the X5, I say go for it.

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by freitz

All,

I had an early X3 M40i, TL;DR... BMW bought it back and I moved on. picked up a Q5 and my wife drives that today. She barely puts any miles on it so no issues.

Bought a 2018 Ford Expedition - now at 42k Miles on my third set of cam phasers, 2nd set of 4 wheel drive actuator vacuums, third moon roof guides, and 2nd moon roof screen. I'm about to sell this one.

Wanted to get some feedback on the 2020 BMW X5.

I need a vehicle I can put 15-20k on for the next 6 years. So far I haven't had much luck. I also need space for kids stuff and travel and decent enough all wheel drive that I can get through snow. I do a lot of North East Travel.

What kind of issues pop up with this vehicle? Is it safe now assuming they worked out all of the kinks? I bought two first model year cars back to back (BMW X3 M40i and Expedition 2018 redesign) both have been somewhat of a nightmare.

Thanks for the help.

Cadillac Escalade, We never had a problem with any of them and neither did anyone else I knew. The new ones are absolutely fabulous if you have need for a vehicle that size, they do it all.

[freitz]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

I entirely agree with TurtleBoy - you can go to the NHTSA site and see the various recalls and SIBs, as well as the Reliability thread where this is discussed. The initial "electrical issues" seem to have been iDrive7 issues that resulted in a lot of rebooting, but those have been fixed.

Subtracting annoying early-on software bugs the G05 is over 90% in both CR and JD Power, and long term reviewers have had zero problems, not to mention all the people on this thread!

Here are JD Power's top 5, the G05 is #4:

That's good to hear. Just browsing quickly I don't see any real issues popping up at least on the forums.

[moodyhank82]

Originally Posted by freitz

Thought about grabbing a Cayenne but want something not quite as flashy. Was thinking the X5 but the G05 seems to be riddled with electrical issues. Kind of stuck on where I want to turn esp. with my bad experience with my X3M40i

If reliability is such a high priority why not play it safe by getting a Lexus? Our RX450h was not exciting to drive by any means but it was very well made and trouble free. Lexus dealers also provide excellent service, better than BMW in my experience...

[freitz]

Originally Posted by moodyhank82

If reliability is such a high priority why not play it safe by getting a Lexus? Our RX450h was not exciting to drive by any means but it was very well made and trouble free. Lexus dealers also provide excellent service, better than BMW in my experience...

You said it... not exciting to drive. My ford expedition is more exciting than that thing.

[mynewx5]

Originally Posted by freitz

Good advice

Absolutely - driving dynamics, enjoyment but the badge doesn't matter to me. I like the brand though.

As far as reliability, I don't mind normal high maintenance costs, I ran into some bad luck with my X3M40i, was a unique situation.

But I drive 15-20 miles per year, would like to keep the car between 4-6 years. That puts me between 60-90K Miles. So a little more then half the miles will be out of warranty.

My issue is the bad experience I had has left somewhat of a bad taste in my mouth.

What a world we live in where Hyundai has better reliability then a bmw... Those use to be buy one get an Elantra for free...

4 years 15K, no problem. 6 years 20K, not so much.

I wouldn't be worried that the car is going to fall apart at 120K miles, but with all of the electronics, etc. in these cars you could be looking at some obscene repair bills.

You should seriously consider an extended warranty if you plan to drive it to 100K.

[freitz]

Originally Posted by mynewx5

4 years 15K, no problem. 6 years 20K, not so much.

I wouldn't be worried that the car is going to fall apart at 120K miles, but with all of the electronics, etc. in these cars you could be looking at some obscene repair bills.

You should seriously consider an extended warranty if you plan to drive it to 100K.

I say that but I haven’t had a car for more then 2 years the past 4 years.

Then I hope it could make it. Lately it’s much closer to 15k a year but I think realistic I would want to atleast keep for 4 years.