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      12-18-2019, 07:13 AM   #1
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"We're going to impeach this Motherfcker" long before a phone call with Ukraine

Pelosi admitted that the democrat establishment's impeachment effort has been going on for "two and a half years," long before you ever heard about a phone call with Ukraine.

Nineteen minutes after Trump took office, the Washington Post published a story headlined "The Campaign to Impeach President Trump Has Begun".

Less than three months after his inauguration, Representative Maxine Waters stated "I'm going to fight every day until he's impeached." House democrats introduced the first impeachment resolution against Trump with in two months of his inaugurations, for firing James Comey - who the world now knows is one of the dirtiest cops our Nation has ever seen.

A ranting and raving Congresswoman, Rashida Tlaib, declared just hours after she was sworn into office "We're gonna go in there and we're gonna impeach the motherfucker".

Al Green said in May "I'm concerned that if we don't impeach this president, he will get re-elected.".


The democrat establishment made it clear they're seeking to overthrow the President of the United States. They made their intent to commit treason well known.

This is what the false criminal Ukraine charge is about: democrat establishment treason to attempt overthrowing a President of the United States with false criminal charges.


The democrat establishment has brought false criminal charges with fabrications paid by the DNC in the Mueller investigation which is a crime.


They wont investigate corruption by their leaders, Bidens, Clintons, Cummings!

False criminal charges against Kavanaugh!

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Many anti Trump people have forgotten the golden rule of how would you like it if the same thing is done to them or someone they support.
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      12-18-2019, 07:30 AM   #3
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One of the things I love about being an outsider to US politics is the ability to call bullshit to both Dem and GOP faithfuls... so, with that said, I'll continue without restraint.

The GOP and their pet cable news network wanted to Impeach Obama from day 0.

They failed.

Why? Because nothing he did was actually impeachable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effort...h_Barack_Obama

Trump has publicly called on foreign powers to discredit both his own intelligence services and his political opponents.

Mueller(a card carrying republican veteran, usually the archetypal hero for Reps) found 10 indictable counts of obstruction that would have proceeded had Barr not curated legal advice telling him that a sitting POTUS couldn't be indicted. Had any other shmuck done what he did, they'd be in jail, as evidenced by his campaign entourage being jailed or awaiting sentencing.

For example, this has aged like milk

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJdHYtXXsAMYsPI.jpg

Love or hate the guy, he's been knee deep in shady shit forever. It shouldn't surprise anyone that when a genuine smoking gun was found, the Dems pounced.

Ultimately the fact they wanted to impeach from day one is meaningless, the GOP would have taken the same tack with Hillary. Trump made the fatal mistake of doing something clearly and obviously impeachable at a time when the Dems owned the house.

All I can say about your claims about false this and false that is "lol", because that's all it deserves.
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Yet Republicans in control of the House, Senate, White House, and the courts have been powerless to do anything about it. Weird.
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      12-18-2019, 07:33 AM   #5
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Many anti Trump people have forgotten the golden rule of how would you like it if the same thing is done to them or someone they support.
Indeed, it's a crying shame that for most of you guys politics has become a team sport, and "my team can do no wrong".

I'd love to see a day when you guys can come together, dems and reps alike, and both call out the shit in your own shoes.
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They need a 2/3 rds majority in the senate to remove DT from office. Won't happen so all this impeachment coverage is fake news. Impeachment means nothing to his political career and if anything it will help him get re-elected. Nancy Pelosi knows this and so she tried to resist the democratic establishment but they wanted impeachment so she had no choice.
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      12-18-2019, 07:34 AM   #7
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Yet Republicans in control of the House, Senate, White House, and the courts have been powerless to do anything about it. Weird.
It must be that reality has a liberal bias.
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One of the things I love about being an outsider to US politics is the ability to call bullshit to both Dem and GOP faithfuls... so, with that said, I'll continue without restraint.

The GOP and their pet cable news network wanted to Impeach Obama from day 0.

They failed.

Why? Because nothing he did was actually impeachable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effort...h_Barack_Obama

Trump has publicly called on foreign powers to discredit both his own intelligence services and his political opponents.

Mueller(a card carrying republican veteran, usually the archetypal hero for Reps) found 10 indictable counts of obstruction that would have proceeded had Barr not curated legal advice telling him that a sitting POTUS couldn't be indicted. Had any other shmuck done what he did, they'd be in jail, as evidenced by his campaign entourage being jailed or awaiting sentencing.

For example, this has aged like milk

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJdHYtXXsAMYsPI.jpg

Love or hate the guy, he's been knee deep in shady shit forever. It shouldn't surprise anyone that when a genuine smoking gun was found, the Dems pounced.

Ultimately the fact they wanted to impeach from day one is meaningless, the GOP would have taken the same tack with Hillary. Trump made the fatal mistake of doing something clearly and obviously impeachable at a time when the Dems owned the house.

All I can say about your claims about false this and false that is "lol", because that's all it deserves.
Trump does the same sh*t everyone else does. He's just too dumb and arrogant to try to hide it.
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They need a 2/3 rds majority in the senate to remove DT from office. Won't happen so all this impeachment coverage is fake news.
Has the meaning of "fake news" evolved? Does "fake news" now mean "i don't like that"?

The House will vote to impeach based on the apparently clear evidence that Trump sought foreign help to interfere with Biden.

Biden seems to be doing a great job of killing his own chances, but that's another conversation.

The senate will likely not vote to remove(though they turned on Nixon so who knows?)

The process is decidedly not fakery, it's real, whatever the outcome.
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Has the meaning of "fake news" evolved? Does "fake news" now mean "i don't like that"?

The House will vote to impeach based on the apparently clear evidence that Trump sought foreign help to interfere with Biden.

Biden seems to be doing a great job of killing his own chances, but that's another conversation.

The senate will likely not vote to remove(though they turned on Nixon so who knows?)

The process is decidedly not fakery, it's real, whatever the outcome.
By treaty ukraine is require to provide and investigate any illegal activity that the American government is aware of. It not Trump fault for asking, it Biden Son and Biden himself fault for being around some questionable things involing billions of us dollars and Biden bragging about it.
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Has the meaning of "fake news" evolved? Does "fake news" now mean "i don't like that"?

The House will vote to impeach based on the apparently clear evidence that Trump sought foreign help to interfere with Biden.

Biden seems to be doing a great job of killing his own chances, but that's another conversation.

The senate will likely not vote to remove(though they turned on Nixon so who knows?)

The process is decidedly not fakery, it's real, whatever the outcome.
Out of curiosity, did you vote for Jeremy?
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By treaty ukraine is require to provide and investigate any illegal activity that the American government is aware of. It not Trump fault for asking, it Biden Son and Biden himself fault for being around some questionable things involing billions of us dollars and Biden bragging about it.
Can you show me that treaty and the sections within in that support your assertion?

It strikes me that the Dems would not be silly enough to proceed with this if that were actually the case.
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God knows what Republicans said when Obama was elected. The old boys and their locker room talk. With that being said, this should have also been left alone. The amount of reaching to discredit Obama for wearing a different colored suit would make your toes snap. Politics has and always will be a circus. Don't get so offended now.
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Out of curiosity, did you vote for Jeremy?
Nope, and I also didn't vote for the political weathervane that is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

Not voting labour comes from their new found obsession with identity politics than anything specific to Corbyn. In that regard the UK Labour party are trying to drag us into the same mire that you guys are wallowing in where group identity seems to matter more than individuality.

I've been a Tory voter all my life until 2017, watching them move to the right and fuck up Brexit for 3 years entirely put me off. After speaking to my local candidates directly, I voted Lib Dem, who are more liberal than the tories socially, but economically almost indistinguishable.

The LibDem candidate from my area was the only one who actually had a real considered opinion on some of the Non-brexit stuff that concerns me right now.
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Trump does the same sh*t everyone else does. He's just too dumb and arrogant to try to hide it.
Not sure any other president made fun of a retarded person when his own son is retarded.
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God knows what Republicans said when Obama was elected. The old boys and their locker room talk. With that being said, this should have also been left alone. The amount of reaching to discredit Obama for wearing a different colored suit would make your toes snap. Politics has and always will be a circus. Don't get so offended now.
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Do you think Nixon's impeachment was valid?

Clinton was open and shut, he committed perjury.(I suspect that's why Trump won't submit to interview, because he'll in all likelihood perjure himself)
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Trump does the same sh*t everyone else does. He's just too dumb and arrogant to try to hide it.
Not sure any other president made fun of a retarded person when his own son is retarded.
That was a reprehensible moment, even for Trump, and wasn't what I meant. I mean that pressuring political cohorts, back room deals to advance ones self, and generally using power and position to influence is nothing new. Trump just lacks the common sense and finesse to get away with it.
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Can you show me that treaty and the sections within in that support your assertion?

It strikes me that the Dems would not be silly enough to proceed with this if that were actually the case.
https://www.congress.gov/treaty-docu...verview=closed

Just search the word prosecution
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That was a reprehensible moment, even for Trump, and wasn't what I meant. I mean that pressuring political cohorts, back room deals to advance ones self, and generally using power and position to influence is nothing new. Trump just lacks the common sense and finesse to get away with it.
That is probably true. How did the Clinton’s afford a $10,000,000 condo for that daughter and Obama a $15,000,000 home ? The whole money thing with these Democrats is so reprehensible it doesn’t even seem luxurious.
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These are the four areas around the word "prosecution". Which do you feel supports your point, and why?

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The Treaty is one of a series of modern mutual legal
assistance treaties being negotiated by the United States in
order to counter criminal activities more effectively. The
Treaty should be an effective tool to assist in the prosecution
of a wide variety of crimes, including drug trafficking
offenses. The Treaty is self-executing. It provides for a broad
range of cooperation in criminal matters. Mutual assistance
available under the Treaty includes: taking of testimony or
statements of persons; providing documents, records, and
articles of evidence; serving documents; locating or
identifying persons; transferring persons in custody for
testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches
and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to restraint,
confiscation, forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection
of fines; and any other form of assistance not prohibited by
the laws of the requested state.
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rticle 5(4) provides that if the Central Authority of the
Requested State determines that execution of the request would
interfere with an ongoing criminal investigation, prosecution,
or proceeding in that State, it may postpone execution or,
after consulting with the Central Authority of the Requesting
State, impose conditions on execution. If the Requesting State
accepts assistance subject to the conditions, it shall comply
with such conditions.
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rticle 5(4) provides that if the Central Authority of the
Requested State determines that execution of the request would
interfere with an ongoing criminal investigation, prosecution,
or proceeding in that State, it may postpone execution or,
after consulting with the Central Authority of the Requesting
State, impose conditions on execution. If the Requesting State
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Article 17 also obligates the Contracting States to assist
each other to the extent permitted by their respective laws in
proceedings relating to forfeiture of the proceeds and
instrumentalities of offenses, restitution to victims of crime,
and collection of fines imposed as sentences in criminal
prosecutions. This may include action to temporarily immobilize
the proceeds or instrumentalities pending further proceedings.
The Contracting State having custody over proceeds or
instrumentalities of offenses is required to dispose of them in
accordance with its laws. Either Contracting State may transfer
all or part of such assets, or the proceeds of their sale, to
the extent permitted by the transferring State's laws and upon
such terms as it deems appropriate.
It seems to me that the subtext of the request made to Ukraine was to "investigate" and basically fabricate something on Biden, or you don't get the military aid.

Couple that with numerous Ukrainian officials(including the ex-president) exonerating both Bidens and I'm just not buying your analysis here.
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That is probably true. How did the Clinton’s afford a $10,000,000 condo for that daughter and Obama a $15,000,000 home ? The whole money thing with these Democrats is so reprehensible it doesn’t even seem luxurious.
With Obama charging $400k a time to speak it's not hard to see how that level of money is possible. People at that level of global politics command high fees.
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With Obama charging $400k a time to speak it's not hard to see how that level of money is possible. People at that level of global politics command high fees.
Those speaking engagements seem sketchy of themselves as well as those book fees. I imagine there is an access influence side to these fees that started back when they were in office.
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