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      12-18-2019, 08:27 AM   #23
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Those speaking engagements seem sketchy of themselves as well as those book fees. I imagine there is an access influence side to these fees that started back when they were in office.
I don't doubt that for a second.

Ultimately the biggest authors of legislation in the USA are lobbyists and corporations. Obama was a Wall Street candidate.

Love or hate Bernie, I have to respect the fact he is entirely funded by the grass roots. There's alot to be said for that I think in an era when elitism in politics is alienating voters and creating fertile ground for Trumplike personalities to win out.

I'm all for pulling money out of politics, nixing lobbying and doing something like Yang is suggesting in terms of campaign finance reforms.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/democracydollars/
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These are the four areas around the word "prosecution". Which do you feel supports your point, and why?









It seems to me that the subtext of the request made to Ukraine was to "investigate" and basically fabricate something on Biden, or you don't get the military aid.

Couple that with numerous Ukrainian officials(including the ex-president) exonerating both Bidens and I'm just not buying your analysis here.
Ukraine has two prosecutor who were investigating it and both stated the US Ambassador told them not to investigate the Bidens, Buerisma (SP?), and Soros NGO. Regardless upon request they should provide all the documents those prosecutors obtain during their investigation.
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      12-18-2019, 08:34 AM   #25
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Ukraine has two prosecutor who were investigating it and both stated the US Ambassador told them not to investigate the Bidens
Could you source that please?
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      12-18-2019, 08:35 AM   #26
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I don't doubt that for a second.

Ultimately the biggest authors of legislation in the USA are lobbyists and corporations. Obama was a Wall Street candidate.

Love or hate Bernie, I have to respect the fact he is entirely funded by the grass roots. There's alot to be said for that I think in an era when elitism in politics is alienating voters and creating fertile ground for Trumplike personalities to win out.

I'm all for pulling money out of politics, nixing lobbying and doing something like Yang is suggesting in terms of campaign finance reforms.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/democracydollars/
Bernie has large organization funding him

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-pre...e?id=N00000528

Trump has more grass root funds
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Could you source that please?
https://www.glennbeck.com/chalkboard...#rebelltitem15
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      12-18-2019, 08:38 AM   #28
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Bernie has large organization funding him

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-pre...e?id=N00000528

Trump has more grass root funds
I see three Pro-Sanders PACS having donated less than $20k, and the bulk of his money has been from donations to his directly campaign.

Who is the large organisation funding him?
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      12-18-2019, 08:43 AM   #29
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Interesting, and fun.

Obama controls Buerisma, Glenn Beck, Shady Shokin.

It's like Alex Jones is reading me a bedtime story.
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I see three Pro-Sanders PACS having donated less than $20k, and the bulk of his money has been from donations to his directly campaign.

Who is the large organisation funding him?
Large Contributions $18,488,369 24.89

That generally from Unions or large organizations, not consider grass roots.

Individual aka grass roots

Small Individual Contributions (< $200) $42,968,276 57.85%

Trump small individual is

Small Individual Contributions (< $200) $79,376,267 37.64%
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Interesting, and fun.

Obama controls Buerisma, Glenn Beck, Shady Shokin.

It's like Alex Jones is reading me a bedtime story.
Please focus on the content instead of character assassination
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      12-18-2019, 08:46 AM   #32
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Large Contributions $18,488,369 24.89

That generally from Unions or large organizations, not consider grass roots.


Where is it that Unions get their funding?

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Please focus on the content instead of character assassination
You missed the subtext. Nevermind.
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Where is it that Unions get their funding?



You missed the subtext. Nevermind.
Unions are a public entity especially teacher and federal/state workers unions.

I always find it funny people complain and cry about public corperation but failed to understand the government and union are a public organization as well.
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I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make there about "public corperation" vs government, perhaps lost in translation.

Doesn't matter, it's off topic anyway.
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Those speaking engagements seem sketchy of themselves as well as those book fees. I imagine there is an access influence side to these fees that started back when they were in office.
Cantor Fiztgerald, Northern Trust Corp and Carlyle Group. 1.2M and they're all Wall Street residents.

Wait, whut?
And then he turned around and said it was so he could donate more to charity. Lol.

It's all a show, people.
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Pelosi admitted that the democrat establishment's impeachment effort has been going on for "two and a half years," long before you ever heard about a phone call with Ukraine.

Nineteen minutes after Trump took office, the Washington Post published a story headlined "The Campaign to Impeach President Trump Has Begun".

Less than three months after his inauguration, Representative Maxine Waters stated "I'm going to fight every day until he's impeached." House democrats introduced the first impeachment resolution against Trump with in two months of his inaugurations, for firing James Comey - who the world now knows is one of the dirtiest cops our Nation has ever seen.

A ranting and raving Congresswoman, Rashida Tlaib, declared just hours after she was sworn into office "We're gonna go in there and we're gonna impeach the motherfucker".

Al Green said in May "I'm concerned that if we don't impeach this president, he will get re-elected.".


The democrat establishment made it clear they're seeking to overthrow the President of the United States. They made their intent to commit treason well known.

This is what the false criminal Ukraine charge is about: democrat establishment treason to attempt overthrowing a President of the United States with false criminal charges.


The democrat establishment has brought false criminal charges with fabrications paid by the DNC in the Mueller investigation which is a crime.


They wont investigate corruption by their leaders, Bidens, Clintons, Cummings!

False criminal charges against Kavanaugh!
Henry B Gonzalez tried to impeach Reagan. There's always a crazy Wing to both parties.

Watching the impeachment right now, Republicans are still not focusing on the facts. Just on the process. Weak.
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Watching the impeachment right now, Republicans are still not focusing on the facts. Just on the process. Weak.
It was the same during the Mueller testimony to the House Intelligence committee.

Through dem questioning he laid out the content of the report(10 counts of obstruction, Barr wouldn't let him indict Trump) whilst the Reps just slid down the "no collusion" slip and slide despite Mueller making it clear collusion wasn't the focus of the report.
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Henry B Gonzalez tried to impeach Reagan. There's always a crazy Wing to both parties.

Watching the impeachment right now, Republicans are still not focusing on the facts. Just on the process. Weak.
Nineteen minutes after Trump took office, the Washington Post published a story headlined "The Campaign to Impeach President Trump Has Begun".
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It was the same during the Mueller testimony to the House Intelligence committee.

Through dem questioning he laid out the content of the report(10 counts of obstruction, Barr wouldn't let him indict Trump) whilst the Reps just slid down the "no collusion" slip and slide despite Mueller making it clear collusion wasn't the focus of the report.
What? How could collusion not be the focus and obstructing the hunt for collusion be his goal of the report?

Oh my.
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Henry B Gonzalez tried to impeach Reagan. There's always a crazy Wing to both parties.

Watching the impeachment right now, Republicans are still not focusing on the facts. Just on the process. Weak.
Nineteen minutes after Trump took office, the Washington Post published a story headlined "The Campaign to Impeach President Trump Has Begun".
Obviously you didn't read the article. Here you go:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ump-has-begun/

you are welcome to post something from RT to refute this.
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Watching the impeachment right now, Republicans are still not focusing on the facts. Just on the process. Weak.
It was the same during the Mueller testimony to the House Intelligence committee.

Through dem questioning he laid out the content of the report(10 counts of obstruction, Barr wouldn't let him indict Trump) whilst the Reps just slid down the "no collusion" slip and slide despite Mueller making it clear collusion wasn't the focus of the report.
Slip and slide!

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What? How could collusion not be the focus and obstructing the hunt for collusion be his goal of the report?

Oh my.
"Oh my" indeed sir!

Collusion doesn't exist as a crime on the US statute books.

I'd suggest you watch the testimony.

From the (searchable) transcript, timestamp 00:16:07

"It(the mueller report) did not address collusion which is not a legal term"

Primary sources rule OK

https://www.c-span.org/video/?462628...onal-testimony
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The lefties also tried to stop Brexit. They are a threat to democracy!
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The lefties also tried to stop Brexit. They are a threat to democracy!
Lots of righties tried to stop it too.
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