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      12-02-2020, 01:39 AM   #23
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Those swirls are too deep for polish. You're going to need full paint correction. You actually need to cut the paint with compound to get rid of those.

Paint correction will be anywhere from $1300 to $2k depending on the car and stages needed.
Yep, this is what the guy told me, he said some panels might actually have to be cut twice. He will keep the car over the weekend to perform the work, he gave me an estimate of $1500.
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Bumping this thread up, just wondering if anyone else had a similar problem with the Tanzanite II color. Its just weird to have it so badly scratched up after the very first wash, maybe the paint is too soft?

I did not polish the car yet, I am planning to do it before the new year, and have it protected to prevent the same thing from happening.
All it takes is one bad car wash and it could require 10+ hours worth of paint correction to make it near perfect again. It all depends just how bad the car wash you went to is. Was it hand wash? machine wash? dirty mitt? harsh dirty broom brush that they use on other peoples cars and wheels? I've seen all of that in the past and spent enough hours with a orbital buffer doing paint correction to realize that its either I hand wash it myself or its just not worth it to wash it at all at a car wash place. Even when i hand wash myself over time you will still leave minor marks on the paint but those can be removed with one stage polish.

Even places that does "handwashes" their mitts are filthy, questionable soaps used, scrubbing the car up and down as fast as they can. Then comes the drying part with again dirty rags that they use over and over again. As much as I hate driving a dirty car I just can't come to going to these places ever again.

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All it takes is one bad car wash and it could require 10+ hours worth of paint correction to make it near perfect again. It all depends just how bad the car wash you went to is. Was it hand wash? machine wash? dirty mitt? harsh dirty broom brush that they use on other peoples cars and wheels? I've seen all of that in the past and spent enough hours with a orbital buffer doing paint correction to realize that its either I hand wash it myself or its just not worth it to wash it at all at a car wash place. Even when i hand wash myself over time you will still leave minor marks on the paint but those can be removed with one stage polish.

Even places that does "handwashes" their mitts are filthy, questionable soaps used, scrubbing the car up and down as fast as they can. Then comes the drying part with again dirty rags that they use over and over again. As much as I hate driving a dirty car I just can't come to going to these places ever again.

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Yep, this is what the guy explained to me, and to add insult to the injury, it turns out most car washes actually recycle water. How often do they actually replace or clean the filters that the recycled water goes through?

I'll have the paint corrected, and a ceramic coat protection applied, but I'll avoid these car washes from now on.
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As much as I hate driving a dirty car I just can't come to going to these places ever again.
^^^ Prefect advise.
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with full PPF and ceramic coating on top, are you guys still avoiding car washes?

I am paying for those to avoid doing car washes myself
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with full PPF and ceramic coating on top, are you guys still avoiding car washes?

I am paying for those to avoid doing car washes myself
those automatic carwashes are terrible. They have one job and that is to quickly clean your ca so they are very rough to get off all the dirt and other crap that's on the car. In theory it can damage the PPF and even strip the ceramic coating off because of the harsh chemicals they use. Its best to find a good detail shop and have them do a hand wash.
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Most Companies that do PPF and Ceramic Coating will tell you if you go to a car wash it may void your warranty.

it does pose an issue in the northeast winter months but I'm not going to ruin $4500 worth of work. That's why I spent the money.
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with full PPF and ceramic coating on top, are you guys still avoiding car washes?

I am paying for those to avoid doing car washes myself
I have both and am not avoiding any car washes.
Haven't had any issues. Put the car through car washes about twice a week
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All it takes is one bad car wash and it could require 10+ hours worth of paint correction to make it near perfect again. It all depends just how bad the car wash you went to is. Was it hand wash? machine wash? dirty mitt? harsh dirty broom brush that they use on other peoples cars and wheels? I've seen all of that in the past and spent enough hours with a orbital buffer doing paint correction to realize that its either I hand wash it myself or its just not worth it to wash it at all at a car wash place. Even when i hand wash myself over time you will still leave minor marks on the paint but those can be removed with one stage polish.

Even places that does "handwashes" their mitts are filthy, questionable soaps used, scrubbing the car up and down as fast as they can. Then comes the drying part with again dirty rags that they use over and over again. As much as I hate driving a dirty car I just can't come to going to these places ever again.

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100% agree ... i've been meaning to start a "what's your X5M cleaning routine" thread ... I'll do it this weekend, with photos from tomorrow's wash
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I have both and am not avoiding any car washes.
Haven't had any issues. Put the car through car washes about twice a week
Good luck. Please keep us to date how the ceramic coating holds up to cars washes. When they use recycled water I get real Leary.

Hope things keep looking good.
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Good luck. Please keep us to date how the ceramic coating holds up to cars washes. When they use recycled water I get real Leary.

Hope things keep looking good.
Ceramic coating starts to decay the moment you stop using PH Neutral soaps. It's the number one issues with any coating. If the car wash has a well enough system that uses high quality soaps and is touchless should be okay for awhile, but forget it once harsh soaps are applied.
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Dropped the car off at the detailers shop, should have it back on Sunday.
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Picked it up from the guy, and the gloss is back. There are some minor scratches left that he couldn't get rid of, but you need to look really close to see them. I'd say the car is 90% like new, so I am pleased.

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No more outside car washes! DIY only.
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Picked it up from the guy, and the gloss is back. There are some minor scratches left that he couldn't get rid of, but you need to look really close to see them. I'd say the car is 90% like new, so I am pleased.

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Picked it up from the guy, and the gloss is back. There are some minor scratches left that he couldn't get rid of, but you need to look really close to see them. I'd say the car is 90% like new, so I am pleased.

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Consider it perfect.

Most dealer prep is also garbage. When I picked mine up, it looked like dealer prep was done with sand paper. I complained to management and they agreed. They covered the cost of paint correction.

Be careful with washing, even with those mobile detailing folks.
Be sure they rinse out the mitt often, especially when going below the belt line. It doesn't matter if they pressure wash before and use a soap cannon to cover the whole car. If they don't rinse out the mitt, there's a high chance that they will pick up some debris from the front bumper / lower panels and drag that across your entire car. Rinse often and don't apply pressure when drying. I literally lay a towel down on the hood to absorb the water, then lift it straight up. No pressure no dragging.
Then go at it gently with a detailing cloth for any drips.

Is this crazy? Yes. But it depends how you want your car to look.
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I only go to car washes that advertise HAND WASH, if im too lazy to wash it myself. Those auto washes blow.

Also, it looks like you're in queens? Do you park your car outside? That could be the reason you have swirl marks and tiny scratches as well.
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I only go to car washes that advertise HAND WASH, if im too lazy to wash it myself. Those auto washes blow.

Also, it looks like you're in queens? Do you park your car outside? That could be the reason you have swirl marks and tiny scratches as well.
In Brooklyn, and yes I park outside, but that's not the source of those scratches.
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Consider it perfect.

Most dealer prep is also garbage. When I picked mine up, it looked like dealer prep was done with sand paper. I complained to management and they agreed. They covered the cost of paint correction.

Be careful with washing, even with those mobile detailing folks.
Be sure they rinse out the mitt often, especially when going below the belt line. It doesn't matter if they pressure wash before and use a soap cannon to cover the whole car. If they don't rinse out the mitt, there's a high chance that they will pick up some debris from the front bumper / lower panels and drag that across your entire car. Rinse often and don't apply pressure when drying. I literally lay a towel down on the hood to absorb the water, then lift it straight up. No pressure no dragging.
Then go at it gently with a detailing cloth for any drips.

Is this crazy? Yes. But it depends how you want your car to look.
I see you are in NYC, do you have a mobile detailer you can recommend?
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In Brooklyn, and yes I park outside, but that's not the source of those scratches.
I dunno man, lots of stray animals come out at night in BK. Raccoons, possums, cats, and wild people.

Those swirls are most certainly not from 1 car wash it seems, unless the guy use 500 grit sand paper to wash your car lol.
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I dunno man, lots of stray animals come out at night in BK. Raccoons, possums, cats, and wild people.

Those swirls are most certainly not from 1 car wash it seems, unless the guy use 500 grit sand paper to wash your car lol.
Tell me about it, still pisses me off just thinking how bad it was.

If I recall correctly, we bought the car in late August, and it was absolutely pristine. I think the first wash was in late September and right away it got swirls all over it.

Still pisses me off to even think about it. The guy repaired for me best he could, but there are still scratches when you inspect it closely. Even the plastic on the headlights and tail lights is scratched up.

For anyone in NYC, particularly Brooklyn, do not go to the Crystal Hand Wash on Stillwell Avenue.
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