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Wife has a JGC hybrid and the thing is honestly such a POS it’s biased my opinion of the 2 motors working together. When the battery is depleted it charges a little bit coming to a stop then uses E only to start off the line and 30 ft later kicks on the gas and it’s so abrasive in kicking it on that it’s probably the worst driving car I’ve ever been in. The only benefit of this thing is not going to the gas station due to her using it only locally. |
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Even with a depleted battery, the 50e (and my previous 45e) were very impressive at managing capacity for those times of need. You should see if a dealer will let you drive one for an extended period, or more specifically...drive one with a dead HV battery and see how you like it. |
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12-03-2023, 08:53 AM | #27 | |
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It feels much more like there are 2 separate drive trains. The electric is great when it’s all that you need around town. But when it needs to toggle btw both its a horrific driving experience. |
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Yea I always assumed it was, but having such a horrible driving experience makes it hard to imagine these 2 components can ever fit seamlessly together. Jeep has left me tainted (not surprising, such a crap brand).
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12-03-2023, 10:26 AM | #30 |
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Last month I did a 170 mile round trip starting with a full tank and full battery. I used battery hold to start the return trip with approximately 50% battery capacity remaining. Per the app:
Outbound: 48.2 mph average - 36.9mpg - 2.3gal total -7.7kwh - 1h48min Return: 57.9 mph average- 35.2mpg - 2.5gal total - 7.3kwh - 1hr32mi I’m curious as to the accuracy of the kWh figures, as I only had a few miles remaining on the battery when I arrived at home. FWIW I used Hybrid, not Hybrid Eco Pro |
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12-03-2023, 10:38 AM | #31 | |
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BMW has really nailed the smoothness in the 45/50e models. I don’t know of any other hybrids that work as well.
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However, if i was you. I might consider fully electric like the iX. |
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My person take is, of you do 90% edrive and 10% ice, then EV is the right car. Range anxiety is just anxiety. 10% annually usage can easily be handled by EV charging infrastructure. On the other hand, if you use ice 90% and edrive 10%, then ice is the right car. As you approach to the middle, phev makes most sense. How is your local electricity cost?
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Total agree. 400-700 mile road trip, it is like 1-2 charging session per trip, charging infrastructure definitely can handle this without too much pain. The return is daily usage, you are have longer range, more efficient EV, not lugging the 600lb ice and gas. Ev has a lot of deals and relatively easy to get today too.
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Any info in this trip about how many miles were driven by Edrive?
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I believe the reason why BMWs PHEV engine start is so smooth most of the time is that once rolling, if it needs the ICE to operate, it uses clutches in the transmission to 'tow-start' the ICE. In most cases, this is very smooth. Only from stop in some circumstances does it actually use the separate starter motor.
If on your daily commute, you used the built-in NAV, with work as a waypoint, the computer would try to maintain battery capacity for the lower-speed sections and stop and go where the EV assist is more efficient. Otherwise, it doesn't know where you're going, and uses a different algorithm to decide when to engage the ICE. |
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The outside diameter of both tires is exactly the same - 29.7". I don't think you are going any faster just because you have a bigger wheel.
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Thank you everyone for your feedback, greatly appreciated. The order for the 50e has been placed.....
Dravit Grey M Sport The other M packages and a few other options. Coming from 11yrs of Range Rover ownership I'm looking forward to a change. |
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I do not think I can go pure EV. |
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I will always get a gas car over e-cars as long as the law allows.
The infrastructure is just not there for charging and I have seen those long waiting lines at the charging stations. When you buy expensive cars, you likely wouldn't care about the gas money you saved or overpaid. Lastly, I am uncertain about newer e-cars' long term maintenance and battery life. Gas cars are in their peak form and technology. E-cars are still relatively infant and associated risks are not fully revealed or understood. |
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