[MADBMWX5MC]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

I hope so!!
I saw a spy shot of the x3 interior and it looked like bad seats still. Definitely did not have the multi contour

That would be a welcome change...

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by MADBMWX5MC

That would be a welcome change...

I’m very doubtful and pessimistic. Bmw hasn’t exactly been on a trend of over delivering. They already released the interior dimensions and the thought of more rear legroom is already been crushed..

[MADBMWX5MC]

Well dang...oh, well.

[1230vani]

I opted out of massage option with merino. It actually cost me more not to have massage seats as an option. Took ventilation (first time) and i think it does make a difference (less sweaty back when exposed to sun and aircon not running too strong). Multincontour Seats are comfortable and i assume they would be even more comfortable without the seat ventilation. Without ventilation they are full merino as with the middle is vernasca.

[LuckyBrand]

Originally Posted by 1230vani

I opted out of massage option with merino. It actually cost me more not to have massage seats as an option. Took ventilation (first time) and i think it does make a difference (less sweaty back when exposed to sun and aircon not running too strong). Multincontour Seats are comfortable and i assume they would be even more comfortable without the seat ventilation. Without ventilation they are full merino as with the middle is vernasca.

With ventilation the middles are vernasca and without the seat is actually all merino? Man that makes that extra 2 grand to upgrade to merino a little less worth it in some ways to me. I paid for merino, I want it all to be that.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by LuckyBrand

With ventilation the middles are vernasca and without the seat is actually all merino? Man that makes that extra 2 grand to upgrade to merino a little less worth it in some ways to me. I paid for merino, I want it all to be that.

Yea this is a little known secret. The perforated part of the seat is not merino.

When you take a second look, that doesn’t actually leave much of the seat to be merino. Even a lot of that nice diamond pattern is in fact vernasca and not merino . Kinda feels like we are getting ripped off to get better looking seats only.

[LuckyBrand]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

Yea this is a little known secret. The perforated part of the seat is not merino.

When you take a second look, that doesn’t actually leave much of the seat to be merino. Even a lot of that nice diamond pattern is in fact vernasca and not merino . Kinda feels like we are getting ripped off to get better looking seats only.

Well that makes our decision to not get the ventilated even more validated then. We were looking for the most comfortable option and wanted merino so I guess that's the ticket.

I honestly would have been seriously ticked if I spent the money with our incoming X5 only to find that out. But that's just my 2 cents.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by LuckyBrand

Well that makes our decision to not get the ventilated even more validated then. We were looking for the most comfortable option and wanted merino so I guess that's the ticket.

I honestly would have been seriously ticked if I spent the money with our incoming X5 only to find that out. But that's just my 2 cents.

Yea I’m not sure the right decision here bc I’d be equally ticked off when my back is sweaty!! Many say the ventilation isn’t great but I’m of the opinion that they are better than nothing and they do what they are designed to do and prevent back sweat. I’d have a hard time giving them up. Others will also say the material coating the seat does not determine seat softness / comfort. So vernasca / merino / sensafin should all have similar cushion / rebound coming from the seat. They will have different feel to the touch but don’t think that matters for overall comfort when sitting?

[LuckyBrand]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

Yea I’m not sure the right decision here bc I’d be equally ticked off when my back is sweaty!! Many say the ventilation isn’t great but I’m of the opinion that they are better than nothing and they do what they are designed to do and prevent back sweat. I’d have a hard time giving them up. Others will also say the material coating the seat does not determine seat softness / comfort. So vernasca / merino / sensafin should all have similar cushion / rebound coming from the seat. They will have different feel to the touch but don’t think that matters for overall comfort when sitting?

I guess what I meant to say is we wanted merino seats regardless but wanted the most comfortable version. Being no massage or ventilation due to the extra stuff in the seats that take away padding. Totally get what your saying on the ventilation part. And all of this obviously is subjective and everyone's opinions on comfort is different. We just felt the best option for us was with nothing extra in the seat.

And now knowing I get more merino to boot helps lol.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by LuckyBrand

I guess what I meant to say is we wanted merino seats regardless but wanted the most comfortable version. Being no massage or ventilation due to the extra stuff in the seats that take away padding. Totally get what your saying on the ventilation part. And all of this obviously is subjective and everyone's opinions on comfort is different. We just felt the best option for us was with nothing extra in the seat.

And now knowing I get more merino to boot helps lol.

Yes, that makes sense, if you determined no inner mechanical systems = more comfort + want merino then spot on.

[1230vani]

Originally Posted by LuckyBrand

I guess what I meant to say is we wanted merino seats regardless but wanted the most comfortable version. Being no massage or ventilation due to the extra stuff in the seats that take away padding. Totally get what your saying on the ventilation part. And all of this obviously is subjective and everyone's opinions on comfort is different. We just felt the best option for us was with nothing extra in the seat.

And now knowing I get more merino to boot helps lol.

Back will sweat less on full merino vs full vernasca/dakota. Thats my experience from the F15. Merino with ventilation for G05 was (i think) specified in the technical specs brochure. Anyways i knew what i was getting when ordering. In now warmer days i immediately noticed the difference in ventilation of seats. I do not put my aircon too cold so the vented seats help and the difference is noticeable. With merino in F15 found headrests to be more comfy and soft which was another reason i went with merino in G05. Have zero experience with sensafin in G05. I was trying to do more research on this so looked at seats in XB7 with some retro leather (navalina maybe), super comfy with vent and massage, asked leather specialist for BMW who told me that ALPINA uses different padding for their premium leather. Overall very happy with my seats excl massage. Oh yes did butt test with same leather in x6 (merino vent massage) and in my opinion excl massage is more comfy. Without vent merino is the comfiest but my back would get sweaty. Overall happy with my choice as seats still very comfy and I am a dedicated comfort seat fan (traded in early my first F15 with sport seats - as in my car prior to that (E71 X6) had comfort seat and needed more comfort for longer trips. This is my longest post ever .

[Rob_G77]

I used to have a 2021 X6 M40i (no massage) and my friend had a 2021 X5 with massage. I though the massage seats were so much stiffer than the seats I had in my X6.

Now I have a 2024 X5 40i with massage seats. I don't find them less comfortable to what I was used to before and they are ok. Although I do think the massage could be better.

The ventilated option is ok.

Spending as much as I do on this vehicle it better have every damn bell and whistle! :/

Rob

[JoeAyalaM]

I do have the massage merino leather seats and yes, I fell they are harder than the non massage seats on the X5 I test drove before. Harder than the ones on any of my other cars, Audi S6, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Colorado Pick Up, Toyota Sequoia, are the ones I drove lately.

I will try to find a solution, maybe have an upholstery shop put more foam in the seat?

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by JoeAyalaM

I do have the massage merino leather seats and yes, I fell they are harder than the non massage seats on the X5 I test drove before. Harder than the ones on any of my other cars, Audi S6, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Colorado Pick Up, Toyota Sequoia, are the ones I drove lately.

I will try to find a solution, maybe have an upholstery shop put more foam in the seat?

Is your opinion that the massage does it or the ventilation and massage?

[JoeAyalaM]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

Is your opinion that the massage does it or the ventilation and massage?

My X5 seats are massaged and ventilated ones. In our market you can only get either simple extended merino or a package with both massage and ventilation, so I have not tried the only ventilated ones.

[Rob_G77]

Originally Posted by JoeAyalaM

I do have the massage merino leather seats and yes, I fell they are harder than the non massage seats on the X5 I test drove before. Harder than the ones on any of my other cars, Audi S6, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Colorado Pick Up, Toyota Sequoia, are the ones I drove lately.

I will try to find a solution, maybe have an upholstery shop put more foam in the seat?

If you get a chance, try sitting in an I7 at your dealership. Those seats are soooo comfortable! I wish the X5 could have something like that.

Rob

[TREKER]

Added massaging seats to my build yesterday. I already have the comfort package so I figured why not for $1k for a 36 month lease. WHat will it cost me over 3 years per month? $12-15 a month?

I sat in the sensafin seats. I have the vernasca in my 21 X5. I like the feel of the Sensafin alot better and I think with the comfort seats, ventilated and now massaged, it will be just about the best if can get. I didn't go with Merino because I went with the silverstone color and I didnt want to keep maintaining the merino seats.

Few weeks!

[LuckyBrand]

We just picked up our new X5 on Saturday. We went against ordering the ventilation and massage after sitting in a few with it and felt the seat comfort wasn't as great as we thought it should be in merino trim. We also did a ton of searching on the topic and found most said the added options reduced comfort. As they use stiffer and less padding in the seat. We couldn't find a spec in merino without these options so we took a chance that it would be much more comfortable to us. Great news for us at least is the first thing we noticed was how much more comfortable the merino seats were without the ventilation and message. The seats aren't perforated and the whole seat is now merino as well without those options. The seats are super supportive and super comfortable and we absolutely believe for us at least that we made the right decision. As always though this is subjective and everyone's tastes are different as far as comfort goes.

[TREKER]

Originally Posted by LuckyBrand

We just picked up our new X5 on Saturday. We went against ordering the ventilation and massage after sitting in a few with it and felt the seat comfort wasn't as great as we thought it should be in merino trim. We also did a ton of searching on the topic and found most said the added options reduced comfort. As they use stiffer and less padding in the seat. We couldn't find a spec in merino without these options so we took a chance that it would be much more comfortable to us. Great news for us at least is the first thing we noticed was how much more comfortable the merino seats were without the ventilation and message. The seats aren't perforated and the whole seat is now merino as well without those options. The seats are super supportive and super comfortable and we absolutely believe for us at least that we made the right decision. As always though this is subjective and everyone's tastes are different as far as comfort goes.

I like the ventilation. Had it before. I was concerned about the merino because I am getting the light color and didnt want discoloration from jeans, etc. I also didnt want to have to keep treating them as it is a lease.

[LuckyBrand]

Originally Posted by TREKER

I like the ventilation. Had it before. I was concerned about the merino because I am getting the light color and didnt want discoloration from jeans, etc. I also didnt want to have to keep treating them as it is a lease.

We went with the ivory merino. Wife was concerned with same things you were but I just got some Colourlock leather care products and we should be good. We're pretty diligent anyways on keeping things nice so not to worried on it.

[LDT]

Originally Posted by LuckyBrand

We went with the ivory merino. Wife was concerned with same things you were but I just got some Colourlock leather care products and we should be good. We're pretty diligent anyways on keeping things nice so not to worried on it.

Good choice. I've had my Ivory for 9 months now and it has held up very well. No wear and tear and I wipe it with a damp microfiber towel occasionally. I did option massage and ventilated seats and find them to be comfy. Certainly more comfy than my 2020 Cayenne which also had ventilated seats.

[LuckyBrand]

Originally Posted by LDT

Good choice. I've had my Ivory for 9 months now and it has held up very well. No wear and tear and I wipe it with a damp microfiber towel occasionally. I did option massage and ventilated seats and find them to be comfy. Certainly more comfy than my 2020 Cayenne which also had ventilated seats.

Good information on upkeep. Thanks.

One thing we also wanted optioning the merino is the smell you get from it. Everytime we opened the doors we get this nice waff of leather. Not sure how much longer the option will be available with everyone going synthetics so kind of like the V8. Just wanted one last chance at it I guess just in case.