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      11-12-2019, 07:15 PM   #67
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While I don't like this behavior of camera constantly displaying rear unless "A" is pressed, it looks like this is not tied to SW version. We know x5 has this "feature" but my dealer confirmed the x7 has the same thing. I also tested my friend's x3 and it is programmed the same as well. I think I've read somebody posted previous x5 gen does this, too.
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While I don't like this behavior of camera constantly displaying rear unless "A" is pressed, it looks like this is not tied to SW version. We know x5 has this "feature" but my dealer confirmed the x7 has the same thing. I also tested my friend's x3 and it is programmed the same as well. I think I've read somebody posted previous x5 gen does this, too.
Sure. Doesn't make it even slightly right. Hence why I call this a software design defect. It is clearly as intended, but the intent is idiotic, dangerous, and anti-customer.
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While I don't like this behavior of camera constantly displaying rear unless "A" is pressed, it looks like this is not tied to SW version. We know x5 has this "feature" but my dealer confirmed the x7 has the same thing. I also tested my friend's x3 and it is programmed the same as well. I think I've read somebody posted previous x5 gen does this, too.
Sure. Doesn't make it even slightly right. Hence why I call this a software design defect. It is clearly as intended, but the intent is idiotic, dangerous, and anti-customer.
At least give us an option to configure it, as you earlier suggested, but that would be another permutation that they probably won't be able to unit test.

It is not a show stopper issue but quite annoying as it introduces delay in navigating through tight spots.
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While I don't like this behavior of camera constantly displaying rear unless "A" is pressed, it looks like this is not tied to SW version. We know x5 has this "feature" but my dealer confirmed the x7 has the same thing. I also tested my friend's x3 and it is programmed the same as well. I think I've read somebody posted previous x5 gen does this, too.
Sure. Doesn't make it even slightly right. Hence why I call this a software design defect. It is clearly as intended, but the intent is idiotic, dangerous, and anti-customer.
At least give us an option to configure it, as you earlier suggested, but that would be another permutation that they probably won't be able to unit test.

It is not a show stopper issue but quite annoying as it introduces delay in navigating through tight spots.
I think it's more dangerous than just annoying. Even after 6 months with it, I expect to see forward camera when moving forward. But depending how the sequence started, sometimes it will and sometimes it won't. I certainly am focused on parking/maneuvering and not keeping mental track of BMW's idiotic camera switching software state machine changes. And in many situations, behind you looks a lot like in front of you on the camera, so you can't tell it hasn't switched this specific time by just a glance; sometimes even a hard look is not enough to tell.

This is nicely stacked up for a child to get run over and a massive lawsuit. And BMW will completely deserve it (that's coming from a Canadian, where we generally don't have a culture of lawsuits).
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Make sure to code any warnings back to default after running over the child...
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And in many situations, behind you looks a lot like in front of you on the camera, so you can't tell it hasn't switched this specific time by just a glance; sometimes even a hard look is not enough to tell.
During your glance or stare, look at the top of the screen since it denotes the view as either "Front" or "Rear". Obviously if the camera view would match the gear there would be no need to do that.
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Make sure to code any warnings back to default after running over the child...
Good point. I don't have any kids of my own to spare, anyone want to volunteer their naughty 2 or 3 year old? :-/
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Did any software updates fix this?
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      11-16-2019, 04:16 AM   #75
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Did any software updates fix this?
07/2019.70 didn't fix it. Like someone mentioned above, sometimes I just assume front/back looks the same...road and curb! But after making a conscious effort to determine if it was fixed...nope. I do believe that it will switch to the front if something is there, because if I recall correctly...it happened to me. When I backed out of the driveway, and put the car back in D, my trashcans were at the curb in front of me. The vehicle did the warning beeps at the front and the cans did pop up. I will try it again, just to make sure it was not the people's cans across the street. I swear 03/2019.xx did have the front cameras pop back up, because I was mesmerized the first few times. I swear the pull back on the seatbelt has gotten less intense since 03/2019.xx, unless I have jus become accustomed to it.
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So my X5 is in for two recalls (front battery, didn't expect that one; and rear camera contrast issue), I-STEP update to S18A-19-11-534 (aka 11/2019.34), and a couple of mechanical wheel bolt issues. Dealer didn't get to it yet, so won't have the car back tonight and because of my schedule, maybe not tomorrow either -- so nothing to report regarding 11/2019.34 for a couple of days. They gave me a fairly base 2020 40i xLine as a loaner. The loaner doesn't have a lot of the fun features (but at least Sport Plus is still somewhat functional, thank god) and, specifically, it does NOT have the front camera. That's when I realized something about our camera not-switching issue ...

... when the front camera is missing and there is simply nothing front-facing to display, the most logical thing to show in the car is something and that something is the reverse view, the only view available. So I'll theorize that the dumbass thing that BMW UX designers/software engineers have done is forgotten that the situation is completely different when you DO HAVE a front camera. In other words, the software is just doing what it's always done from a design point of view, just shows the "only" available view!

For people that only have the reverse camera, they'll never know about the front view and won't be missing it. But for the rest of us (the majority), the lack of front view when in D is highly irregular.

Thoughts on the theory?

Even if accidentally accurate, don't think it's actionable
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For me, the camera views did work correctly until 07/2019.55 so it seems like they purposely changed it for some reason. As some mentioned, they believe it is now working consistent with other versions of iDrive so maybe in "fixing" it they actually broke it when looking at it from a logical "how it should" work point of view. Either that or someone incorrectly copied some code and overwrote the way it should work with two cameras.
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I think there is "something to display" in the front if I'm about to clip my rims on the curb when in the process of pulling out of a parking spot...maybe the car knows I have 20" and I'll be ok?
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So my X5 is in for two recalls (front battery, didn't expect that one; and rear camera contrast issue), I-STEP update to S18A-19-11-534 (aka 11/2019.34), and a couple of mechanical wheel bolt issues. Dealer didn't get to it yet, so won't have the car back tonight and because of my schedule, maybe not tomorrow either -- so nothing to report regarding 11/2019.34 for a couple of days. They gave me a fairly base 2020 40i xLine as a loaner. The loaner doesn't have a lot of the fun features (but at least Sport Plus is still somewhat functional, thank god) and, specifically, it does NOT have the front camera. That's when I realized something about our camera not-switching issue ...

... when the front camera is missing and there is simply nothing front-facing to display, the most logical thing to show in the car is something and that something is the reverse view, the only view available. So I'll theorize that the dumbass thing that BMW UX designers/software engineers have done is forgotten that the situation is completely different when you DO HAVE a front camera. In other words, the software is just doing what it's always done from a design point of view, just shows the "only" available view!

For people that only have the reverse camera, they'll never know about the front view and won't be missing it. But for the rest of us (the majority), the lack of front view when in D is highly irregular.

Thoughts on the theory?

Even if accidentally accurate, don't think it's actionable
This reminds me of the tree swing analogy, especially how we are billed, the support we get and what we really wanted! 😂

I'll watch out for your coding updates on the 11/2019 release when you get your car back. I just got the MX+ per your recommendation and will play with it when I get the chance.
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This reminds me of the tree swing analogy, especially how we are billed, the support we get and what we really wanted! 😂
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I'll watch out for your coding updates on the 11/2019 release when you get your car back. I just got the MX+ per your recommendation and will play with it when I get the chance.
Not exactly on topic regarding camera views, but as an update, there was a wrinkle with my ISTEP update to S18A-19-11-534 on my car — apparently currently available in Canada version of ISTA is not allowing my VIN to be updated to a 19-11-534 release, only to 19-07-571 release. But apparently a new version of ISTA is coming down by end of the week and we're keeping the car at the dealer till Fri to try a Nov update then.

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Ok, got my car back. They had to use ISTA 4.21 which was just released to Canadian dealers on Thu night. Version installed is S18A-19-11-540 (aka 11/2019.40). I have a feeling I am the first in Canada with that version.

So far, don't see anything fixed and one new thing broken relative to 3/2019.45: yap, you guessed it, the camera no longer switches to front view after reverse view per this thread. Yes, if you manually set the A camera mode, then It works, but as reported here, A is forgotten as soon as camera turns off.

As I keep on insisting, BMW has no idea what their bugs are since they actively refuse to hear customers.

On the positive side, I now get to code ADV and the rest. It already works, nice.
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Ok, got my car back. They had to use ISTA 4.21 which was just released to Canadian dealers on Thu night. Version installed is S18A-19-11-540 (aka 11/2019.40). I have a feeling I am the first in Canada with that version.

So far, don't see anything fixed and one new thing broken relative to 3/2019.45: yap, you guessed it, the camera no longer switches to front view after reverse view per this thread. Yes, if you manually set the A camera mode, then I works, but as reported here, A is forgotten as soon as camera turns off.

As I keep on insisting, BMW has no idea what their bugs are since they actively refuse to hear customers.

On the positive side, I now get to code ADV and the rest. It already works, nice.
Is there an easy way to compare the FDL settings between the old and new CAFD's to figure out what is causing the canary not to default to A?
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Ok, got my car back. They had to use ISTA 4.21 which was just released to Canadian dealers on Thu night. Version installed is S18A-19-11-540 (aka 11/2019.40). I have a feeling I am the first in Canada with that version.

So far, don't see anything fixed and one new thing broken relative to 3/2019.45: yap, you guessed it, the camera no longer switches to front view after reverse view per this thread. Yes, if you manually set the A camera mode, then I works, but as reported here, A is forgotten as soon as camera turns off.

As I keep on insisting, BMW has no idea what their bugs are since they actively refuse to hear customers.

On the positive side, I now get to code ADV and the rest. It already works, nice.
Is there an easy way to compare the FDL settings between the old and new CAFD's to figure out what is causing the canary not to default to A?
That's a good idea. I have my NCD and FWL files from 3/2019.45 saved, so I will make it a point to do some comparisons when I get a chance. Easiest way to compare right now is generate FWL files and do text compare.
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When I picked up my car today, I was told the service manager 'fixed' this issue in my car. They said no software factor - so no upgrade - just a simple change of a setting.

I do not know what setting was changed, but before I left the lot I saw clearly that nothing had changed. I confirmed this again once I returned home.

I did not go back because my car has spent too many days at the dealer since I picked it up one year ago tomorrow.
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The recall definitely requires an iDrive update to be performed. It could be you were already at a required level or they just blew you off. What version are you running?

Edit: My bad, I thought you were referring to a previous discussion regarding the camera recall. I think you will find that the setting they did reverted back to default and your camera will not switch from reverse to drive.
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I just picked up my car March 20, and am having the same frustration with the camera. When the gear is in reverse, the rear camera comes on. When I shift to drive, the rear camera stays on. I have a fairly narrow and cluttered garage and sometimes I start to drive in (set front camera) but then have to back up to adjust; (rear camera automatically comes on) then I straighten up to drive in and rear camera stays on. Maybe I need a bigger garage!
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I just picked up my car March 20, and am having the same frustration with the camera. When the gear is in reverse, the rear camera comes on. When I shift to drive, the rear camera stays on. I have a fairly narrow and cluttered garage and sometimes I start to drive in (set front camera) but then have to back up to adjust; (rear camera automatically comes on) then I straighten up to drive in and rear camera stays on. Maybe I need a bigger garage!
When you "set the front camera" you should hit the Camera button with the A on it. That will solve your problem for that particular scenario. The major scenario is when you start off in reverse and want the front camera to come on when it drive - say getting out of a parallel parking spot. That still needs a resolution.
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