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      12-05-2019, 04:32 PM   #1255
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Guess who said this,
“you might be right there. i think i looked up the ZL1 time. Found a thread on the camaro forums saying the ss 1le is about the same time as a Z28 on most tracks. So around 7:37. Same time as a CS.”

This same person quotes drag racing times, trap speeds often enough as well as comparing cars on tracks with turns. That dude is dick measuring also then isn’t he?
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Since you posted this in the C8 thread and no one here has a C8 so dick measuring doesn’t quite apply, just guys shooting the shit with other car guys. Talking performance numbers is something the vast majority of performance car people do. If numbers weren’t talked about by people who buy these cars there wouldn’t be hundreds of sites, tv shows, magazines, blogs.... of guys thrashing cars to see what they can do and how to make them do it better and faster. Nor would be there a need for every perf car maker to get their new projects to tracks ASAP to lay down low numbers.

Many of us do take our cars on tracks when we can but it’s really irrelevant, most cars that perform well on the track perform well on the street also. Most of us when lined up at a red light side by side with a worthy opponent and there’s open road ahead and cop free will indulge in a contest of speed. Most guys talk racing and race when they can, on the street or on the track. It’s the American way and the way of many lands.

There are those who don’t talk performance numbers, hp, tq and all that good stuff but I think it’s limited to little old ladies, guys who are pissed because their ride doesn’t measure up and that metrosexual creep in pajamas curled up on the couch by itself sipping hot cocoa in the Hillary add a couple years ago.
quite a long rant you got there. You seem to be triggered.

so because I quote a lap time for the sake of discussion i'm dick measuring??

If you actually go out and buy car A over car B simply because you are beating the other guy by a car length in the 1/4... or you're a second faster around a lap... then you are dick measuring and you got some issues you need to work out. Again just discussing lap times and data, not saying someone should buy a zl1 or z28 over an civic f80, I know I never would.

It does sell. but so does a lot of other pointless stuff. like how everyone has a a big SUV now. A bigger drink at mcdonalds… people value quantity over quality these days. especially when it comes to performance. A model 3p will beat an m3 on a track and drag strip but I don't care. there are other factors to a car that are more important. mainly how it makes YOU feel when YOU drive it. If you need to beat someone else to feel good, well that's on you.

I used to care about straight line numbers in my 20s. Had an E85 GTR that was running a mid-10 1/4 mile. But the shit gets old. Anyone can do it...

good video by carlos lago of motortrend/Edmunds on this and how we are all obsessed with numbers.

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      12-05-2019, 06:30 PM   #1256
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Not triggered at all, just seemed a bit hypocritical. As I said, I don’t own a C8, nobody else here does either and we’re all just shooting the shit having conversations about the car, it’s competitors and whatever and there’s always those few, you included, that are obsessed with chiding those who talk numbers like it’s beneath you. Yet they always can be found out to be doing the same thing they mock, talking and posting performance numbers on cars they have or don’t have, just like you did in this thread.

I enjoy talking cars including comparing times for conversational fun but I never once bought a car or didn’t buy a car because it might be a sec faster or slower. When I bought my Corvette, 135i or any of the other cars I’ve had along the way, being number one to the finish line never was paramount. I buy what I like for many different reasons, take my time to decide and I’m usually quite content with my purchases and enjoy making changes to improve them to my liking, good ole American hot rodding.
I’ve seen Lagos videos and read him before, he doesn’t impress me and really don’t care about his opinion.
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I have nothing against the C8 other than it looks awkward, but go ahead buy one, i don't really care. i just think buying one because it can lap laguna seca 7/10ths quicker than a 7 is a bit weird.
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Nothing weird at all. We all like performance, or at least we say we do. Lap time is one quantifiable performance measure. It’s not everything, but it’s one of a handful of ways to look at performance objectively.
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      12-06-2019, 07:53 AM   #1259
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This one time, on Mulholland, I was all proud of myself for reeling in a 996 TT with my M Coupe only to notice that a guy in a Miata was just casually hanging out behind us, looking bored.
Yep. And then the same guy in the M Coupe at the track would be like "My car is faster" blah blah.

I don't suspect my 1.6 Miata is faster than a Z/28 Camaro (the modern one) just because I got a point-by at the track from an inexperienced driver.
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Which is why lap times by professionals matter. Need an equal playing field to be objective. I rest my case.
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      12-06-2019, 01:06 PM   #1261
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The C8 0-60 time is about the same as the Ferrari 488. It should mean they should cost the same. Take that logic :-)
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Which is why lap times by professionals matter. Need an equal playing field to be objective. I rest my case.
The point is, I can't take a new M2 to Willow Springs and match Randy Pobst on time.

Buy what you enjoy. Do you like the way it looks? Feels? Drives? etc. That's more important than the last 1% of performance you can't wring out anyway.
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      12-09-2019, 01:22 PM   #1263
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The point is, I can't take a new M2 to Willow Springs and match Randy Pobst on time.

Buy what you enjoy. Do you like the way it looks? Feels? Drives? etc. That's more important than the last 1% of performance you can't wring out anyway.
Perhaps you can't wring it out Besides, the difference in Nurburgring lap time between even the slower (than C8) GT350 and M2C is 4.5% 472s ws 450s

My point is same driver in a slightly faster car wins. Better driver in the faster car is gone! Best to be both so you don't have to appreciate the tail lights.

By the way, this is what a real car sounds like to the finely spoiled acoustic devices attached to my head:
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Perhaps you can't wring it out
Awesome! With which professional race team can I follow your progress? Which written publications do you regularly test and write for?

I had no idea we had a such a badass on the forum!
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Wait, did I say I can?? Huh.
Plenty of badasses on this forum. And you're totally right. That last 1% i can't touch. But the last 3 I can. And I do. These are a few year old videos taken in my S L O W 2014 Mustang GT. Yet a '15 Vette and a '17 SS 1LE are on par. Faster car? No. Faster Driver? Hmm.

Let's see you you go faster if you're going to doubt me.



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Oh, and a slow ring video for street cred. Due to the slow Porsches of course, and me being a Gentleman. Which is precisely why I couldn't tell you which exact publication you can check out.

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Those suspiciously look like race tracks.
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Those suspiciously look like race tracks.
Lol, don't think he is understanding what we are trying to say.

Regardless, I am a bit jelly I can't take my own car to the 'Ring.

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The point is, I can't take a new M2 to Willow Springs and match Randy Pobst on time.

Buy what you enjoy. Do you like the way it looks? Feels? Drives? etc. That's more important than the last 1% of performance you can't wring out anyway.
Exactly. I should have just bought a damn 392 car instead of spending all this $ on a Hellcat.
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If you wanted a first year 2020 and didn’t get a slot already you’re out of luck.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...on-even-begins
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Oh, and a slow ring video for street cred. Due to the slow Porsches of course, and me being a Gentleman.
The one that passed you at 1:10 seemed especially slow
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The one that passed you at 1:10 seemed especially slow
That was proper fast. Joking aside, this is the expected result. But to be honest I was far more impressed with the Cupra at 6:32 which left all of us in the dust.
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If you wanted a first year 2020 and didn’t get a slot already you’re out of luck.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...on-even-begins
If this is true GM just botched their own launch of the new C8 BIG TIME.

The BIGGEST Corvette dealer in the country just reported that they’ve yet to fill 500 out of 1,172 allocated spots for their 2020 MY allocations. Now all the news channels are reporting 2020 Corvettes are “sold out.” Anyone on the fence and not already with a deposit down is now going to look elsewhere...right to a competitor’s door.

Someone with experience working for Chevy dealership mentioned that dealerships do not have to take allocated spots, as GM has a tendency to build more cars than a dealership can sell, and let dealerships figure out a way to move them. I suspect this executive that said all 2020 C8s are sold out probably mean each allocation has been confirmed by dealerships. Because a number of large national dealers are still taking deposits for 2020 Corvettes as of right now.

If MacMulkin still has nearly 800 allocations unspoken for, I wouldn’t be TOO worried that you can’t get a C8 Corvette reserved today. Of course, with the boomers not knowing how to actually look up what’s real and what’s fake news, I wouldn’t be surprised if rate of deposit slows down with national media picking up this “news.”
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Seems the MT link I posted was fake news and they're not all sold out.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...ut-production/
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If this is true GM just botched their own launch of the new C8 BIG TIME.

The BIGGEST Corvette dealer in the country just reported that they’ve yet to fill 500 out of 1,172 allocated spots for their 2020 MY allocations. Now all the news channels are reporting 2020 Corvettes are “sold out.” Anyone on the fence and not already with a deposit down is now going to look elsewhere...right to a competitor’s door.

Someone with experience working for Chevy dealership mentioned that dealerships do not have to take allocated spots, as GM has a tendency to build more cars than a dealership can sell, and let dealerships figure out a way to move them. I suspect this executive that said all 2020 C8s are sold out probably mean each allocation has been confirmed by dealerships. Because a number of large national dealers are still taking deposits for 2020 Corvettes as of right now.

If MacMulkin still has nearly 800 allocations unspoken for, I wouldn’t be TOO worried that you can’t get a C8 Corvette reserved today. Of course, with the boomers not knowing how to actually look up what’s real and what’s fake news, I wouldn’t be surprised if rate of deposit slows down with national media picking up this “news.”
I'm sure people can still get a C8 & will be able to once they hit lots as well...just like all Corvettes before the C8. If not, GM messed up big time IMO
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GT500 vs C8 track Comparison
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...ck-comparison/

So predictably the C8 has better handling than the base GT500 but gets pulled in on the straights times were apparently quite equal but not listed. The Gt500 with Carbon Fiber Track with super wide MPSC2 tires, carbon wheels and upgraded suspension, brakes wings ect. Package easily beats the C8 however

VIR Times:
Gt500 CFP 1:59.68
C8 2:00.96

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