X5 40i or 45e!!! Need to decide ASAP!

sarugby4life · 10-17-2022, 09:53 PM

So I am sure there have been a few posts on this already. But in short my wife needs a car asap (her car was recently totaled). I have a few X5 45e on hold at MSRP and would be eligible for the $7500 federal tax credit.

With that said, I also have a very well spec'd 40i at 9% off.

Which one would you choose based on this? I have charging infra at home etc. with the discount it seems the only real savings is gas. She drives around 15-20 miles a day.

Thoughts?

jad03060 · 10-17-2022, 10:01 PM

Personally, I'd get the 45e. Assuming you can wait for the and are eligible for the full $7500 tax credit, that will lessen the differences in cost. I guess it might depend somewhat on the options in each package, but the ability to precondition is nice, and not needing to make that stop regularly at the gas station is a plus, even if your electricity costs are high. Depending on how long you keep it, it will likely retain value better.

P1 · 10-17-2022, 10:05 PM

Go for the 45e. Just the standard air suspension in itself makes it worth it.

sarugby4life · 10-17-2022, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by P1

Go for the 45e. Just the standard air suspension in itself makes it worth it.

The other wrinkle is the 45e models I'm looking at do not have DAP. How valuable is this?

jad03060 · 10-17-2022, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sarugby4life

The other wrinkle is the 45e models I'm looking at do not have DAP. How valuable is this?

I don't miss it, your wife probably won't either.

TurtleBoy · 10-17-2022, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sarugby4life

The other wrinkle is the 45e models I'm looking at do not have DAP. How valuable is this?

I wouldn't get a vehicle without it but there are also many folks that wouldn't get it. It is going to depend on her driving habits and comfort level with it.

eelnoraa · 10-17-2022, 10:21 PM

If you have mean to charge and can get $7500 incentive, then no brainer, 45e.

Missing either one on your case, take 40i. 9% off is very close to $7500 on these cars. Making upfront cost similar. If you don’t get $7500 incentive, It will be a long time before you can save enough gas to offset 9% of MSRP. And if you don’t plan to charge, then you a higher cost of operation even if you get $7500.

sarugby4life · 10-17-2022, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sarugby4life

The other wrinkle is the 45e models I'm looking at do not have DAP. How valuable is this?

I wouldn't get a vehicle without it but there are also many folks that wouldn't get it. It is going to depend on her driving habits and comfort level with it.

I have it on my X5MC. But to be fair we do most of our driving 5-10 miles from home. Occasional road trips.

sarugby4life · 10-17-2022, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by eelnoraa

If you have mean to charge and can get $7500 incentive, then no brainer, 45e.

Missing either one on your case, take 40i. 9% off is very close to $7500 on these cars. Making upfront cost similar. If you don’t get $7500 incentive, It will be a long time before you can save enough gas to offset 9% of MSRP. And if you don’t plan to charge, then you a higher cost of operation even if you get $7500.

Yep this is my thought also. The incentive and at home charging makes sense. We are coming from a model Y so solar / charging is all in place.

ST3 · 10-17-2022, 10:32 PM

According to folks on other threads there are thousands of known quality issues with the 45e. That alone should deter you.

For me, I'm sticking with my custom order and the full feature set available with the 2023 model year. If you're fine with no leather and no air suspension, the 40i is absolutely the way to go.

sarugby4life · 10-17-2022, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ST3

According to folks on other threads there are thousands of known quality issues with the 45e. That alone should deter you.

For me, I'm sticking with my custom order and the full feature set available with the 2023 model year. If you're fine with no leather and no air suspension, the 40i is absolutely the way to go.

Did you get a 45e? Or 40i?

ST3 · 10-17-2022, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sarugby4life

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Originally Posted by ST3

According to folks on other threads there are thousands of known quality issues with the 45e. That alone should deter you.

For me, I'm sticking with my custom order and the full feature set available with the 2023 model year. If you're fine with no leather and no air suspension, the 40i is absolutely the way to go.

Did you get a 45e? Or 40i?

45e due to leather and air suspension. If I could outfit the 40i similar then it would be a very different situation/decision. I will admit I'm intrigued by the use case of electric around town and petrol for our very frequent 250 mile road trips. 70/30 mix.

sarugby4life · 10-17-2022, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ST3

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Originally Posted by sarugby4life

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Originally Posted by ST3

According to folks on other threads there are thousands of known quality issues with the 45e. That alone should deter you.

For me, I'm sticking with my custom order and the full feature set available with the 2023 model year. If you're fine with no leather and no air suspension, the 40i is absolutely the way to go.

Did you get a 45e? Or 40i?

45e due to leather and air suspension. If I could outfit the 40i similar then it would be a very different situation/decision. I will admit I'm intrigued by the use case of electric around town and petrol for our very frequent 250 mile road trips. 70/30 mix.

Got it ok. And yes these are valid points. I'm thinking I should continue down the 45e path. Just have to find one I really like.

eelnoraa · 10-18-2022, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sarugby4life

Yep this is my thought also. The incentive and at home charging makes sense. We are coming from a model Y so solar / charging is all in place.

Then 45e has a bigger advantage

eelnoraa · 10-18-2022, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ST3

According to folks on other threads there are thousands of known quality issues with the 45e. That alone should deter you.

For me, I'm sticking with my custom order and the full feature set available with the 2023 model year. If you're fine with no leather and no air suspension, the 40i is absolutely the way to go.

This is such a non sense. Forums like this is where problems get disucssed. For everyone reports an problem there are thousands, of not 10s thousand of without issues. Go pick your favorite relaible car, and I will show you forum thread that disucss werid problems. Please ignore

jad03060 · 10-18-2022, 12:28 AM

FWIW, the 45e has been in production since summer 2018 as a 2019 (MY depends somewhat on where it's sold), so it's not new, nor is this BMW's first PHEV. One bought today is pretty reliable.

eluded · 10-18-2022, 01:51 AM

I'd go 45e and get some money back from Joe

TurtleBoy · 10-18-2022, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sarugby4life

I have it on my X5MC. But to be fair we do most of our driving 5-10 miles from home. Occasional road trips.

You could still use it plus it includes the extra safety features. I use mine as close to 100% of the time I'm driving no matter what road types.

P1 · 10-18-2022, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sarugby4life

The other wrinkle is the 45e models I'm looking at do not have DAP. How valuable is this?

Had it in my F15, didn't use it. Borrowed my father's 45e over the summer, used it once and shrugged it off.

Ordered our 45e and didn't select it.

But like TurtleBoy said, to each their own.

scungilio · 10-18-2022, 07:55 AM

When does the X5 50e take center stage. I read that it will have nearly 100 more HP to around 480 and a 50 mile range on electric. Sounds like some significant upgrades are on the way for this PHEV.
The 50e will be desireable to a far broader range of upper level brand buyers at that point.

double_cheeseburger · 10-18-2022, 08:11 AM

Range upgrade for 50e? Never heard that. Not sure what price would be for 50e

viperdoc · 10-18-2022, 08:35 AM

I owned a 2019 40i for 18 months and now have two 45es (2021 and 2023). I had more quality issues with my 40i than my older 45e by far. Who knows why.

I avoided the DAP package on purpose for both 45e custom builds. I don’t have the inherent trust in the automated systems that others do.

But overall (to me) the 45e is the more comfortable vehicle and more fun to drive, which I suppose explains why I purchased two of them.

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sarugby4life Lieutenant 323 Rep 445 Posts Drives: 2022 X5MC, 2023 X5 45e Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: California iTrader: (1)	So I am sure there have been a few posts on this already. But in short my wife needs a car asap (her car was recently totaled). I have a few X5 45e on hold at MSRP and would be eligible for the $7500 federal tax credit. With that said, I also have a very well spec'd 40i at 9% off. Which one would you choose based on this? I have charging infra at home etc. with the discount it seems the only real savings is gas. She drives around 15-20 miles a day. Thoughts?
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jad03060 Major General 3166 Rep 6,806 Posts Drives: X5 45e Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: NH iTrader: (0)	Personally, I'd get the 45e. Assuming you can wait for the and are eligible for the full $7500 tax credit, that will lessen the differences in cost. I guess it might depend somewhat on the options in each package, but the ability to precondition is nice, and not needing to make that stop regularly at the gas station is a plus, even if your electricity costs are high. Depending on how long you keep it, it will likely retain value better.
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P1 Lieutenant General 11572 Rep 11,136 Posts Drives: 2004 3/4 ton Duramax Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: United States iTrader: (1)	Go for the 45e. Just the standard air suspension in itself makes it worth it.
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eelnoraa Brigadier General 2033 Rep 3,681 Posts Drives: G05 X5 Join Date: May 2022 Location: SF Bay Area CA iTrader: (0)	If you have mean to charge and can get $7500 incentive, then no brainer, 45e. Missing either one on your case, take 40i. 9% off is very close to $7500 on these cars. Making upfront cost similar. If you don’t get $7500 incentive, It will be a long time before you can save enough gas to offset 9% of MSRP. And if you don’t plan to charge, then you a higher cost of operation even if you get $7500.
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ST3 Lieutenant 340 Rep 537 Posts Drives: F90 M5 Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Connecticut iTrader: (0)	According to folks on other threads there are thousands of known quality issues with the 45e. That alone should deter you. For me, I'm sticking with my custom order and the full feature set available with the 2023 model year. If you're fine with no leather and no air suspension, the 40i is absolutely the way to go.
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scungilio Banned 166 Rep 335 Posts Drives: bmw x5 Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: SE iTrader: (0)	When does the X5 50e take center stage. I read that it will have nearly 100 more HP to around 480 and a 50 mile range on electric. Sounds like some significant upgrades are on the way for this PHEV. The 50e will be desireable to a far broader range of upper level brand buyers at that point. Last edited by scungilio; 10-18-2022 at 08:02 AM..
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