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      06-06-2018, 05:00 PM   #177
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I agree with those points. By “width is fine” I was referring to the fact it’s quite a bit narrower than the comparable Mercedes that is my wife’s DD now. So, that’s a personal judgement.
The GLE width you're thinking about (84.3") is with mirrors according to the Mercedes spec sheet. The new X5 is 3" wider with mirrors - 87.3". They went crazy with the width on this one in my opinion...
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I love the interior, even though I wonder why the made separate buttons for comfort, sport eco pro etc. I think a rocker switch would have been nicer, and certainly take up less space
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That's exactly my thought... But overall I really like the design. Driver will just have to be careful not to accidently shut off the engine when switching drive modes.
I don't think BMW would have an active start-stop button while the car is in motion. lol I'm sure only can be activated when the car is stopped.
I would hope at least one of the thousand's of engineers' working on the G05 would of addressed the issue you're worried about.
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The GLE width you're thinking about (84.3") is with mirrors according to the Mercedes spec sheet. The new X5 is 3" wider with mirrors - 87.3". They went crazy with the width on this one in my opinion...
Thanks for pointing that out - so width on X5 is about 3" wider that GLE. Will be interesting to see if Mercedes upsizes with the new one that will be out early next year.
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Aren’t they ashamed to come with the same 335 HP engine?
Every model supposed to be better, faster, stronger, more powerful.
I guess, we should be happy that is not less car like the new X1 versus the old one.
This, while the others are evolving....

Shame!
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Surprised BMW hasn't gone to 48V electrical yet, like Mercedes and Audi have in their new models. Also a little disappointed it's gotten larger and (according to Autoweek) 75 lb. heavier than outgoing ones.
yeah where is the CLAR 400 lbs weight savings.
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No regrets. I love my S5. I stick around because I want to stay on top of BMW news.
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Aren’t they ashamed to come with the same 335 HP engine?
Every model supposed to be better, faster, stronger, more powerful.
I guess, we should be happy that is not less car like the new X1 versus the old one.
This, while the others are evolving....
Agreed. The new M-B GLE450 due out in about 8 months will have ~362 hp in base version and have 48v mild hybrid system. AMG upgraded GLE43 with added ETurbo (electric supercharger), roughly 429 hp. The 48v system has many advantages including powering a 21 hp mild hybrid motor (to eliminate lag), eliminating belts and providing a robust stop/start system.

I hope they designed the G05 to accept this sort of upgrade in the future, otherwise in a few years it's going to be even more date.
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Aren’t they ashamed to come with the same 335 HP engine?
Every model supposed to be better, faster, stronger, more powerful.
I guess, we should be happy that is not less car like the new X1 versus the old one.
This, while the others are evolving....

Shame!
1) The new X1 is a much better subcompact SUV than the old one was. You can dislike it, but it’s better at what it needed to be, period, and even today, three years later, is probably the best vehicle in its class. Again, you are welcome to dislike that class, but it is what it needed to be.

2) The new X5 has a 335hp B58 engine. The old X5 has a 300hp N55. New one 0-60 in 5.3s, which is class leading. Old one, 6.0s. Maybe math works different where you’re from, but it is faster and more powerful everywhere other than on your keyboard.
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1) The new X1 is a much better subcompact SUV than the old one was. You can dislike it, but it’s better at what it needed to be, period, and even today, three years later, is probably the best vehicle in its class. Again, you are welcome to dislike that class, but it is what it needed to be.

2) The new X5 has a 335hp B58 engine. The old X5 has a 300hp N55. New one 0-60 in 5.3s, which is class leading. Old one, 6.0s. Maybe math works different where you’re from, but it is faster and more powerful everywhere other than on your keyboard.
Disagree on E84 vs F48. I own the former and made my decision when both were available and have not looked back for a moment. Absolutely love the RWD chassis and the lower weight of my X1.

While the F48 may be " better" for more buyers than before... (in the same way that an E36 M3 was " better" than an E30 M3) .. I am not one of them.
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Aren't they ashamed to come with the same 335 HP engine?
Every model supposed to be better, faster, stronger, more powerful.
I guess, we should be happy that is not less car like the new X1 versus the old one.
This, while the others are evolving....

Shame!
1) The new X1 is a much better subcompact SUV than the old one was. You can dislike it, but it's better at what it needed to be, period, and even today, three years later, is probably the best vehicle in its class. Again, you are welcome to dislike that class, but it is what it needed to be.

2) The new X5 has a 335hp B58 engine. The old X5 has a 300hp N55. New one 0-60 in 5.3s, which is class leading. Old one, 6.0s. Maybe math works different where you're from, but it is faster and more powerful everywhere other than on your keyboard.
True, I don't think HP is that important. It is all about efficiency.
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Doesn't make sense to use plastic chrome on these huge kidney grillz. They should be all Blacked-out or black with chrome trim or black chrome, or even better yet keep them the same color as the body so they're not as noticeable, LOL - well not really.

Also what's up with the lower false air intakes. Yes it looks cool, but if they don't function what the hell is the point?

The interior door sill pockets, in shiny black plastic are you kidding me for the prices that they're are now charging for these premium vehicles?

Too many electric motors, they drain too much power and will eventually break. Cargo rubber/Aluminum slides that raise up while driving, how unnecessary, did you notice underneath the cargo door yet another electronic motor for that. And it's not going to make any sense if you're using a plastic cargo liner. KISS: Keep It Simple Stupid! That's one of the first things I learned in Design school.

I'm an X4 & X6 fan.

I agree with you on all those extra motors. I believe they are an optional cargo package though. I certainly would not be ticking that box !
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Whoever make this video is a genius. With Blackout grilled, this car is gonna be the king. Can't wait for the X6.
Hmmm - unlock with smartphone? Did I miss that in the press release?
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Hmmm - unlock with smartphone? Did I miss that in the press release?
No, they just mention remote vehicle start with an app.
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Agreed. The new M-B GLE450 due out in about 8 months will have ~362 hp in base version and have 48v mild hybrid system. AMG upgraded GLE43 with added ETurbo (electric supercharger), roughly 429 hp. The 48v system has many advantages including powering a 21 hp mild hybrid motor (to eliminate lag), eliminating belts and providing a robust stop/start system.

I hope they designed the G05 to accept this sort of upgrade in the future, otherwise in a few years it's going to be even more date.
I'm not sure about this mild hybrid stuff... Seems a bit like a Rube Goldberg machine. Some reviews I've seen of M-B mild hybrid cars mentioned that there was still some lag, and the fuel economy wasn't significantly better. I think the jury is still out on this. Also, I would give this stuff some time for the inevitable issues to be fixed before buying. In other words, the lack of this technology isn't one of the things that bother me about the new X5... I just wish they had kept the dimensions of the outgoing model.
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1) The new X1 is a much better subcompact SUV than the old one was. You can dislike it, but it’s better at what it needed to be, period, and even today, three years later, is probably the best vehicle in its class. Again, you are welcome to dislike that class, but it is what it needed to be.

2) The new X5 has a 335hp B58 engine. The old X5 has a 300hp N55. New one 0-60 in 5.3s, which is class leading. Old one, 6.0s. Maybe math works different where you’re from, but it is faster and more powerful everywhere other than on your keyboard.
I own E84 and had the new F48 for six months on the job.
You have no ideea what are you talking about.
My wife will probably knock you down with her non car-enthusiast comments. She was bang on when comparing the two X1’s. And she doesnt want the new X1 “under any circumstances” because is lazy, instable and without guts”. That’s aside from mechanics and other closed involved professionals that are sharing the same opinion.
And no, it is far from best in class. FAR. Please do your homework.

If you need a list with cheapness aproach and shortcuts done on this car, (aside from FWD haldex and less HP, or boaty ride compared with the E84) let me know, I will gladly make it for you, including pictures to show you where the value is and how cheap and shitty that vehicle is.
To say that a sedan platform with a RWD biased transmission is worse than a tall Suv with Haldex you must lack some basic knowledge.
Aslo, since we are talking math, keep in mind that in US the E84 was very shortly lived. Canada had it one year ahead of you while my family in Europe was running the vehicle for more thean four years ahead of you. Of course is less seen or acknowledged.

Also, you have no ideea what a great deal the E84 was. A fully loaded X1 (3 Series) bought for less than a medium 3 Series Touring, just to have people on board. It was a lot of car for the money. And in here I am talking good materials and better fit and finish than F84 will ever have.

Secondly, the 335 Hp engine is a shame, BMW used to rule this game, no more.
For a 3 series or 2 series (if is lighter and not like M2 versus M3) is a good engine; for a boat like the new X5 and keeping mind the others, is a SHAME.

Leave the math aside, I was not talking about the old X5, I was talking about the 335 engine card that is overplayed and is not even something that you can call even refeshing not to mention a benchmark.

Never thought I will walk in an Audi dealership, yet today, after more than 17 years, I was looking at the S5. That tells me a lot. Also, the guy showed me by what margin they beat BMW in sales. Yeah, I hate to admit it but they have a nice product, with nice no fake sound and more powerful for less money...

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Secondly, the 335 Hp engine is a shame, BMW used to rule this game, no more.
For a 3 series or 2 series (if is lighter and not like M2 versus M3) is a good engine; for a boat like the new X5 and keeping mind the others, is a SHAME.

Leave the math aside, I was not talking about the old X5, I was talking about the 335 engine card that is overplayed and is not even something that you can call even refeshing not to mention a benchmark.

Never thought I will walk in an Audi dealership, yet today, after more than 17 years, I was looking at the S5. That tells me a lot. Also, the guy showed me by what margin they beat BMW in sales. Yeah, they have a nice product, with nice no fake sound and mor powerful for less money...
I think BMW under-rates the engine. Based on the performance numbers, the engine has to be more powerful than they claim...

The Audi S5 is a nice car, but it has its issues. The transmission isn't programmed all that well (kind of laggy), the steering feel isn't great, the handling in corners isn't great (you feel the car push), the interior material quality isn't as good as it used to be, the seat comfort isn't great.
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Just thinking the M50i might have an output of around 500hp as in the M850i?

It's 530 hp.
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