06-13-2020, 08:24 AM | #45 | |
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There are documented discrepancies and inconsistencies around how different manufacturers are allowed to advertise range based on how the EPA feels the manual is written. For example some cars get to advertise range at 100% charge and others get to advertise 90% or 80% charge based on the wording of the manual or the way the user experience works. Additionally, while the SAE tests used by the EPA are fairly consistent, in the end they use a multiplier that acts as a safety, and manufacturers can negotiate this multiplier. The vast majority of cars stick to a 0.7, so the EPA rating is 70% of what the actual testing got. Tesla often negotiates to ensure their models get the same number over the course of iterative improvements, they sometimes use upwards of 80%. Being able to advertise 10% more range with an identical test number is a big deal, especially on full EVs. One really can't compare two vehicles based on EPA rated miles, except maybe in very broad strokes. |
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/reviews/395038/porsche-taycan-road-trip-240-mile-range/amp/ Expect 40-45 miles range for the 45e based on normal driving and average temperature |
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06-15-2020, 08:47 AM | #48 |
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How does the 45e track mileage for the ICE for maintenance items? For example if the odometer reaches 10,000 miles, but it's been 6,000 electric and 4,000 ICE, does it know that an oil change isn't needed yet. Does it track mileage for the ICE separately from the overall vehicle?
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06-15-2020, 09:12 AM | #49 |
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06-15-2020, 09:27 AM | #51 |
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Like the look of the X5 Hybrid, if it was similar price point of the 30d I would probably opt for it and lose the 7 seat option in the X5.
But around £10k over the 30d means i'm priced out (by my wife). |
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06-15-2020, 11:08 AM | #52 |
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Yeah, without tax benefits the price difference is hard to justify. But it in city traffic running on electricity is nice and if you can charge at home or in your parking spot it will avoid so many trips to the pump it might close a bit of the gap
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06-15-2020, 11:56 AM | #53 |
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And what about the brakes? What intervals is it showing for the brake service? On thing I realize that I forgotten about that oil has to be replaced every two years even if the car hasn't done many miles in between. But brake pads - it's a different story probably. They could last a lot longer because of recuperative braking.
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06-15-2020, 12:05 PM | #54 | |
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06-15-2020, 12:33 PM | #55 | |
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All BMW plug in vehicles in the US have been j1772 until now. Maybe they used a photo for an EU spec vehicle. Even the new 2020 745e is still j1772 spec, so I believe this is just an international model. |
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06-15-2020, 12:51 PM | #56 |
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Sure. But what is iDrive showing? In an ICE car it says 25000 or 35000 km after you change the brake pads, for example. And obviously, depending on how aggressively one brakes, it could easily turn out to be 10000 or 50000 before they really wear through. So I was just wondering what does PHEV iDrive say about front and rear brakes in the service requirements page.
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The other services are "Consition Based Services" based on your drivestyle, distance driven, ... it is based on special algorithms and sensors. So I think the brakes have sensors when they start to wear. |
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06-16-2020, 03:54 AM | #59 |
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I'm sure this has been asked before, but not sure how to easily search it - how much does it cost to charge the car? I'm think primarily at home, but don't have a concept of public charging points either. 10p? £1? I know at home it'll depend on your tariff but even an order of magnitude would be interesting. I'm assuming others have done a comparison.
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06-16-2020, 04:19 AM | #61 | |
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On a public charger it varies a lot and it is not always clear. They don't show the price per Kwh as for fuel prices. Some have a startup of a couple of euros. Some count the minutes that the car is connected some only the charged Kwh. Price per Kwh also varies a lot, it may double between different chargers. You can see this in the app of the public charger. But you have to be carful if you put your car in a nice parkingspot and connect during the night. If it is per Kwh it is ok. If it is per minute you will have a very expensive parking. For the 40e it was ok anyway, the battery of the 45e is 2,5 times larger so it starts to make a difference. |
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06-16-2020, 09:15 AM | #63 |
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So spending 3.20 gets you about 70 kilometers. About how much would you have to spend on petrol to travel the same distance?
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For sure, the ratings are a mess, but this means that the US version definitely has less all electric range. For reference, 17.06 kWh would imply a WLTP of 33-43. |
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06-16-2020, 09:53 AM | #65 | |
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So 7L for 70 km times 1.25 euro = 8,75 euro if you would have done it on ICE only. 10L is for a careful driver, cruisecontrole 120 km/h. If you release all HP it is much higher. |
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Like you mention in Europe it's 24kwh and 20,9 Kwh usable. I do t know where the 3 Kwh are lost. Almost 15% less usable battery |
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