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I have to say, the RSQ8 is a very good looking vehicle, and has great road presence which is not typical of Audi. I'm not an Audi fanboy in the slightest but there is something that draws me to the Q8 the most of the SUV's, maybe its the angular styling. I think its the best in terms of splitting the bill between the compromised hatchback-esque SUV's (X6, GLE Coupe, Cayenne Coupe) and the regular style SUV's, still offering enough practicality with a bit of style.
Of this class, the Cayenne Coupe certainly drives the best by a good margin for me. In this particular video, the RSQ8 makes the other two look downright bad from a looks perspective - maybe this is why they are going for 10k over sticker.
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Of this class, the Cayenne Coupe certainly drives the best by a good margin for me. In this particular video, the RSQ8 makes the other two look downright bad from a looks perspective - maybe this is why they are going for 10k over sticker.
The Cayenne would definitely be my choice for the driver's car of the group, although honestly I would take an E63S wagon over any of them.

I also noticed the Audi's are going for a large amount money right now, crazier is the used ones. There's already a small amount with some miles on them and they are still going for $130k! I even found a new one $40k over sticker. Its a nice vehicle, but not at all worth any markup. The only other luxury SUV I've seen with this much hype and markups are the new G-Wagons, which appear to be all sold out for 2021 and have markups as high as $75k!

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The Cayenne would definitely be my choice for the driver's car of the group, although honestly I would take an E63S wagon over any of them.

I also noticed the Audi's are going for a large amount money right now, crazier is the used ones. There's already a small amount with some miles on them and they are still going for $130k! I even found a new one $40k over sticker. Its a nice vehicle, but not at all worth any markup. The only other luxury SUV I've seen with this much hype and markups are the new G-Wagons, which appear to be all sold out for 2021 and have markups as high as $75k!

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The Cayenne would definitely be my choice for the driver's car of the group, although honestly I would take an E63S wagon over any of them.

I also noticed the Audi's are going for a large amount money right now, crazier is the used ones. There's already a small amount with some miles on them and they are still going for $130k! I even found a new one $40k over sticker. Its a nice vehicle, but not at all worth any markup. The only other luxury SUV I've seen with this much hype and markups are the new G-Wagons, which appear to be all sold out for 2021 and have markups as high as $75k!

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Oh I understand the G-Wagon msrp, just using it as a comparison as its the only other luxury suv that I've seen with ADM's.
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The last thing to address is the lack of exhaust note, especially in the UK where we have to deal with OPF filters unlike the US market.
I haven't actually seen the exhaust system part #'s to verify it, but I suspect the same X5M's exhaust system is used on all X5M's, no matter what country they are destined for.
The US X5M's are kind of embarrassing in that the X5 M50i has crackles and pops, yet US X5M's have basically nothing.
That is just wrong.
I've already looked into this, there definitely differences. I'm sure it's USA market that don't have OPF (also know as PPF or GPF - too many names) from memory it's Euro spec which includes this above filter.

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The driving experience of all three is good enough for what I want the car to do.

I test drove the X5M before deciding on the RSQ8, and sure the X5M is definitely more responsive and has sharper handling (akin to my F90 M5 on stilts).

However, I am not looking to take these cars to a canyon road for a weekend drive or on the track, so the differences in handling behavior is not very relevant to me.

I wanted an SUV to have good enough enough handling but also be comfortable for long road trips (for not just me but other folks) and not annoying to drive long distances. The RSQ8 fits the bill the best.
Fair enough but as a casual viewer who's not going to buy any of these, like most of their viewers, I'd have appreciated a more comprehensive assessment.
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Of this class, the Cayenne Coupe certainly drives the best by a good margin for me. In this particular video, the RSQ8 makes the other two look downright bad from a looks perspective - maybe this is why they are going for 10k over sticker.
That's ridiculous. An Audi dealership that I'm familiar with have sold quite a few RS Q8's and RS 6's but at a 4-5% discount and that's with supply issues. I would be more accepting on a RS 6 but dealer markup on something like a RS Q8/SUV? That's an easy pass.
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I just love how Q8 feels like riding on a glass.
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I have to say, the RSQ8 is a very good looking vehicle, and has great road presence which is not typical of Audi. I'm not an Audi fanboy in the slightest but there is something that draws me to the Q8 the most of the SUV's, maybe its the angular styling. I think its the best in terms of splitting the bill between the compromised hatchback-esque SUV's (X6, GLE Coupe, Cayenne Coupe) and the regular style SUV's, still offering enough practicality with a bit of style.
Of this class, the Cayenne Coupe certainly drives the best by a good margin for me. In this particular video, the RSQ8 makes the other two look downright bad from a looks perspective - maybe this is why they are going for 10k over sticker.
I couldn't agree more. I have a Cayenne GTS Coupe. Price wise it competes with all three of these SUV's. These are all def faster in a straight line however I found the Cayenne GTS much more fun to drive

On point steering, sublime suspension and phenomenal handling. For me it really is about the handling and fun factor. Obviously I wouldn't track a SUV there are far better choices but I love a buttoned down feel and great steering over sheer straight line speed

It also weighs under 5000lbs much lighter than all three of these making it feel much more tossable.

No neutered exhaust either this is loud and mean LOL

In this comparison the RSQ8 looks wise is head and shoulders over the others although I do not like it's driving dynamics at all and frankly prefer the driving dynamics of the Cayenne GTS significantly over any of these

It's remarkable how fast these SUV's are though. Very impressive
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This looks sponsored.
I will always take the X5M Competition.
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These guys bring just the right amount of comedy and banter to their video's. I'm really surprised how composed and compliant the suspension is on the RSQ8, although short on power compared to the others. I would be curious how different this turned out if the RSQ8 was fitted with the optional 23inch wheels.
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I kept my e70M until the M50i came out, which represented the perfect mix of performance and ride quality. The M is just a step up in regards to everything. I was definitely going to look in the RS6 but it is impossible to get hands on them and as a lifelong BMW gear head I need to get some seat time there. Plus I don't do ADM, regardless of exclusivity .... has anybody driven the RS6? A buddy of mine has the new AMG G Wagon, it is totally different to these here.
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Love how they had to work in a dig on the "huge grills" again, despite the X5 having the smallest grill area of the three. Even better, they went straight from critiquing the X5 grills to the Audi, whose ENTIRE FRONT END is grill, and all they mentioned was the carbon fiber grill surround wasn't worth $5k. Even the "huge" grills on the new 4-Series (which they also brought up) are still smaller in overall area than the A5.
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Love how they had to work in a dig on the "huge grills" again, despite the X5 having the smallest grill area of the three. Even better, they went straight from critiquing the X5 grills to the Audi, whose ENTIRE FRONT END is grill, and all they mentioned was the carbon fiber grill surround wasn't worth $5k. Even the "huge" grills on the new 4-Series (which they also brought up) are still smaller in overall area than the A5.
They were very positive about the X5's grills. They said the size is acceptable, and it looks good, mostly because new BMW's look hideous to them. A backhanded compliment, but a compliment nonetheless.
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I kept my e70M until the M50i came out, which represented the perfect mix of performance and ride quality. The M is just a step up in regards to everything. I was definitely going to look in the RS6 but it is impossible to get hands on them and as a lifelong BMW gear head I need to get some seat time there. Plus I don't do ADM, regardless of exclusivity .... has anybody driven the RS6? A buddy of mine has the new AMG G Wagon, it is totally different to these here.
Yes TD both RS6 and Cayenne Turbo / e-Hybrid - chose X5MC in the end.

All great cars - the X5MC suited me better.

I found the rear of the RS6 too "small" for what I needed and the Cayenne Turbo didn't have the turn in bite and biddability of the X5MC which I really liked, it shrunk the car around me and made it feel really assured in the corners. I knew there was a trade off ride wise and I was concerned about that at the time, but now I have it that trade off is definitely worth it (for me).

It is definitely one in which you need to drive all of them before deciding - they do have their own characters and pluses and minuses and one will suit better than the others depending on where you drive, how you drive and what you like your cars to feel like.

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Regarding the rear of the RS6, are you referring to the trunk space and flexibility or rear seating? The reason why Cayenne doesn't work for us the cargo space, lots of road trips to go skiing, lake house, beach etc.
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For those cross shopping

Stay away from the Cayenne E Hybrid! Weighs significant lbs and drives completely diff then ICE Cayenne's which weigh 400lbs less than X5's.

Turn in a "bite" with non e hybrid is far superior in Cayenne imo

And as others mentioned the battery effects cargo area

Whatever anyone cross shopping decides it's what's best for them but at least compare like products
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Regarding the rear of the RS6, are you referring to the trunk space and flexibility or rear seating? The reason why Cayenne doesn't work for us the cargo space, lots of road trips to go skiing, lake house, beach etc.
We have three teenage boys, 2 large dogs and we surf and ski in Europe (although sadly not this year) so need space! We use a top box even with the X5. RS6 is a lot smaller across and out back so its hard to fit the crew in and even harder to get all the clobber in as well. But again - you have to drive it /test all that out and make your mind up.
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For those cross shopping

Stay away from the Cayenne E Hybrid! Weighs significant lbs and drives completely diff then ICE Cayenne's which weigh 400lbs less than X5's.

Turn in a "bite" with non e hybrid is far superior in Cayenne imo

And as others mentioned the battery effects cargo area

Whatever anyone cross shopping decides it's what's best for them but at least compare like products
Agree - after driving the Turbo then moving to the e-Hybrid - it was a lot different drive wise, and sluggish in all aspects. Turbo was still not as good as the X5MC though - I think on reflection its the air suspension vs conventional as I drove an X5 on the 2-axle air and it had that same overall feeling, although Turbo was definitely more driver focused.

I love Porsche - own Porsche and would have had the Cayenne in a heartbeat, but for me it wasn't as good. X5MC is just a more exciting steer and an event every time you drive it - I like that.
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For those cross shopping

Stay away from the Cayenne E Hybrid! Weighs significant lbs and drives completely diff then ICE Cayenne's which weigh 400lbs less than X5's.

Turn in a "bite" with non e hybrid is far superior in Cayenne imo

And as others mentioned the battery effects cargo area

Whatever anyone cross shopping decides it's what's best for them but at least compare like products
Agree - after driving the Turbo then moving to the e-Hybrid - it was a lot different drive wise, and sluggish in all aspects. Turbo was still not as good as the X5MC though - I think on reflection its the air suspension vs conventional as I drove an X5 on the 2-axle air and it had that same overall feeling, although Turbo was definitely more driver focused.

I love Porsche - own Porsche and would have had the Cayenne in a heartbeat, but for me it wasn't as good. X5MC is just a more exciting steer and an event every time you drive it - I like that.
X5M is an amazing vehicle no doubt about it. The sheer power is intoxicating for sure. Enjoy in good health!
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For those cross shopping

Stay away from the Cayenne E Hybrid! Weighs significant lbs and drives completely diff then ICE Cayenne's which weigh 400lbs less than X5's.

Turn in a "bite" with non e hybrid is far superior in Cayenne imo

And as others mentioned the battery effects cargo area

Whatever anyone cross shopping decides it's what's best for them but at least compare like products
Agree - after driving the Turbo then moving to the e-Hybrid - it was a lot different drive wise, and sluggish in all aspects. Turbo was still not as good as the X5MC though - I think on reflection its the air suspension vs conventional as I drove an X5 on the 2-axle air and it had that same overall feeling, although Turbo was definitely more driver focused.

I love Porsche - own Porsche and would have had the Cayenne in a heartbeat, but for me it wasn't as good. X5MC is just a more exciting steer and an event every time you drive it - I like that.
I can't speak to the Cayenne you drove. For me I prefer it. I have a GTS which has specific PASM is lower than the turbo, Porsche torque vectoring standard and I have Rear Wheel Steering.

Again different strokes from different folks but I found the steering and handling significantly better than X5M.

Of course not as fast but being 400lbs lighter with the PTV, PASM, RWS feels much more dialed in to me on the handling front
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For those cross shopping

Stay away from the Cayenne E Hybrid! Weighs significant lbs and drives completely diff then ICE Cayenne's which weigh 400lbs less than X5's.

Turn in a "bite" with non e hybrid is far superior in Cayenne imo

And as others mentioned the battery effects cargo area

Whatever anyone cross shopping decides it's what's best for them but at least compare like products
Agree - after driving the Turbo then moving to the e-Hybrid - it was a lot different drive wise, and sluggish in all aspects. Turbo was still not as good as the X5MC though - I think on reflection its the air suspension vs conventional as I drove an X5 on the 2-axle air and it had that same overall feeling, although Turbo was definitely more driver focused.

I love Porsche - own Porsche and would have had the Cayenne in a heartbeat, but for me it wasn't as good. X5MC is just a more exciting steer and an event every time you drive it - I like that.
I can't speak to the Cayenne you drove. For me I prefer it. I have a GTS which has specific PASM is lower than the turbo, Porsche torque vectoring standard and I have Rear Wheel Steering.

Again different strokes from different folks but I found the steering and handling significantly better than X5M.

Of course not as fast but being 400lbs lighter with the PTV, PASM, RWS feels much more dialed in to me on the handling front
I find the GTS trims to be the sweet spot and the most driver focused. They essentially get a detuned Turbo powertrain but all the good handling options standard. The Turbo is more of a mix between GT type luxury with some sportiness. I haven't driven a Cayenne GTS yet, but I found the Macan and Panamera to handle best in their GTS trims compared to their Turbo's.
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