[CSL335i]

Originally Posted by biterror

Every ICE vehicle already releases water vapor, among other things :-) Producing hydrogen requires lots of energy and the fuel cells have low efficiency (40-60%), so it's not a perfect solution. Not to mention that hydrogen can cause huge explosions.. EV's are the way to go, IMO.

I think gas (LPG, CNG) is more way to go. Earth has huge backups on gas and gas engines are also almost emission free (except NOx, which can handle with after burner/ad blue catalyst).

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by SFBavarianArea

Its a Russian Bot 👀

Classic Liberal nonsense response to anything that threatens their position. Predictable as a sunrise.
It will certainly be interesting to see how all the EVs on the way are recharged in CA with a power grid that has been degraded for decades by insane environmental restrictions. Sh_t show in the making

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by CSL335i

I think gas (LPG, CNG) is more way to go. Earth has huge backups on gas and gas engines are also almost emission free (except NOx, which can handle with after burner/ad blue catalyst).

Please send this memo to our President!

[frchdragon]

Wow, this became political fast...
whatever we say, the earth is getting warmer, Hoover dam is dangerously low on water. we have more floods, more fires, weird weather and snow where it shouldn't be...
Call it whatever you want, but even if it is a fluke... do you want to take the chance? We don't really have a backup earth ready yet...

[FCX5]

Originally Posted by speedyman

Classic Liberal nonsense response to anything that threatens their position. Predictable as a sunrise.
It will certainly be interesting to see how all the EVs on the way are recharged in CA with a power grid that has been degraded for decades by insane environmental restrictions. Sh_t show in the making

The better solution is to upgrade the infrastructure. Which is needed across the country now. Also, why do you keep throwing around pejoratives like 'liberal' what is your insecurity? Why can't you argue your points without making everything political? I feel a little sorry for you to be honest. It's good to have a positive outlook on life. You seem really bitter.

JMHO. Life is too short to have all that resentment inside. No amount of material goods, like your car or house can compensate for that.

[FCX5]

Originally Posted by CSL335i

I think gas (LPG, CNG) is more way to go. Earth has huge backups on gas and gas engines are also almost emission free (except NOx, which can handle with after burner/ad blue catalyst).

CNG is popular in some countries. No one is stopping BMW from making a CNG car. It's their choice. All technologies have pros and cons. You don't need a President to be involved in this. The argument will be won on merit….

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by frchdragon

Wow, this became political fast...
whatever we say, the earth is getting warmer, Hoover dam is dangerously low on water. we have more floods, more fires, weird weather and snow where it shouldn't be...
Call it whatever you want, but even if it is a fluke... do you want to take the chance? We don't really have a backup earth ready yet...

I see.
The Earth is 4,500,000,000 years old. We have temperature records for less than 200 years but the Green New Deal advocates and the like are absolutely convinced that the end is near. How stupid can some of us be?

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by 4everkidd

this guy … fossil fuels are going nowhere. The Oil & gas industry will just continue to evolve, get better, cleaner, more efficient.

… they aren't using deuterium and tritium in the fuel cells : maybe do some research on what has caused the huge explosions at hydrogen plants.
Until I see battery powered heavy machinery mining the materials required to make your EVs, a reusable (and non-existent) material to make the batteries, and "green" energy to charge your batteries… your argument is just as redundant as every other green snowflake.

At last, someone with wisdom as well as enthusiasm for the planet

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by FCX5

The better solution is to upgrade the infrastructure. Which is needed across the country now. Also, why do you keep throwing around pejoratives like 'liberal' what is your insecurity? Why can't you argue your points without making everything political? I feel a little sorry for you to be honest. It's good to have a positive outlook on life. You seem really bitter.

JMHO. Life is too short to have all that resentment inside. No amount of material goods, like your car or house can compensate for that.

I am on the positive side of the fence that sees a bright future free of government rules, regulations, restrictions, etc.
How much more environmental regulation do we need?
How much more of our industry are we willing to concede to our enemies as we play Green Weenie?

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by SFBavarianArea

Its a Russian Bot

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by frchdragon

Wow, this became political fast...
whatever we say, the earth is getting warmer, Hoover dam is dangerously low on water. we have more floods, more fires, weird weather and snow where it shouldn't be...
Call it whatever you want, but even if it is a fluke... do you want to take the chance? We don't really have a backup earth ready yet...

In Australia, it's supposed to be winter. In the 80s, this time of the year day temperatures were around 12°C and now around 20°C

I respect everyone's opinion, however need to mention, name-calling doesn't solve any problems (not meant for this post but as a general observation to all posters)

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by frchdragon

…Call it whatever you want, but even if it is a fluke... do you want to take the chance? We don't really have a backup earth ready yet...

Originally Posted by speedyman

The Earth is 4,500,000,000 years old. We have temperature records for less than 200 years but the Green New Deal advocates and the like are absolutely convinced that the end is near. How stupid can some of us be?

ONE THING IS A FACT: life on Earth will end one day when Earth is destroyed as our Sun dies. whether we last until that point or destroy Earth's life support system before that, all this political bashing is wasted energy. enjoy your rides, folks!

[yousefnjr]

[FCX5]

Originally Posted by speedyman

I am on the positive side of the fence that sees a bright future free of government rules, regulations, restrictions, etc.
How much more environmental regulation do we need?
How much more of our industry are we willing to concede to our enemies as we play Green Weenie?

Which industry exactly has the US fallen behind in? If any thing EVs have been a shot in the arm for the US auto industry. Not just that, even non US companies are doing major R&D in the US now. US is still pretty innovative because there are so many ideas being worked on at the same time. The Renaissance was messy as well…

The problem here is Infrastructure. That needs to be addressed. The problem is not Govt. regulation, it is a crumbling infrastructure IMHO.

Also, not sure how much you travel, but I do get around quite a bit and countries that are more forward thinking when it comes to the environment etc have far better standard of lining that those that do not.

I would recommend that you look at things objectively and not just emotionally.

Back to the topic. I have to give credit to BMW for trying different ideas. Not everything they try will work, but if you stop innovating on new ideas you will end up like Kodak and others that tried to rest on what worked for them in the past….

[FCX5]

Originally Posted by speedyman

I see.
The Earth is 4,500,000,000 years old. We have temperature records for less than 200 years but the Green New Deal advocates and the like are absolutely convinced that the end is near. How stupid can some of us be?

The green new deal is a way to stimulate the economy. You can pump money to build more weapons or handouts or build infrastructure to improve the future. Less pollution is better quality of life.

It's not all of nothing…we will have different types of energy - oil, gas, nuclear, wind, solar etc etc…but living in a cleaner, greener world is not a bad thing. We are already seeing the impact of green regulation in cleaner cities and rivers etc.

Like all arguments, there are those who will have extreme views. But name calling of the sort that is encouraged by an ex president and certain radio and TV personalities does not help. My 2 cents worth.

[speedyman]

I'm sure we all give credit to BMW as well as any automaker for pioneering these alternative technologies. Some of these developments will likely bear fruit in the future and some will not.
None of this needs to be forced on us by government. It will evolve on its own as things change over time and that includes "infrastructure".

[speedyman]

Originally Posted by FCX5

The green new deal is a way to stimulate the economy. You can pump money to build more weapons or handouts or build infrastructure to improve the future. Less pollution is better quality of life.

It's not all of nothing…we will have different types of energy - oil, gas, nuclear, wind, solar etc etc…but living in a cleaner, greener world is not a bad thing. We are already seeing the impact of green regulation in cleaner cities and rivers etc.

Like all arguments, there are those who will have extreme views. But name calling of the sort that is encouraged by an ex president and certain radio and TV personalities does not help. My 2 cents worth.

"The Green New Deal is a way to stimulate the economy"?
Good grief, put down the crack pipe. Seriously, have you ever read a synopsis of what these nut cases are looking to do with this legisaltion which has absolutely zero chance.
How can anyone we whacked enough to support this nonsense?

[cellarrat]

I had the under on "turns political" at 6. Oh well.

[GuyOh]

I wished the ix looked like that

[biterror]

Originally Posted by CSL335i

I think gas (LPG, CNG) is more way to go. Earth has huge backups on gas and gas engines are also almost emission free (except NOx, which can handle with after burner/ad blue catalyst).

Burning fuel is so last season. Also, there is no gas distribution network in many places (like my country) while you can get electricity pretty much everywhere. Electric vehicles are simpler and faster and when their range goes up a bit, I can't see any reason for using other techniques.

[FCX5]

Originally Posted by speedyman

"The Green New Deal is a way to stimulate the economy"?
Good grief, put down the crack pipe. Seriously, have you ever read a synopsis of what these nut cases are looking to do with this legisaltion which has absolutely zero chance.
How can anyone we whacked enough to support this nonsense?

Looks like you have no idea what 'stimulate the economy' means! Honestly, you need to do just a little bit of reading. Whenever the govt spends money on projects or relaxes the money supply - without raising the same in taxes it stimulates the economy. The green new deal is a massive spending plan so it will stimulate the economy. Now, whether you agree with the spending or not is another matter, but spending is stimulating…

You are just looking for a political angle to everything. FWIW, we have an X5 (50i) and a Tesla Model Y Performance at home. Both are good. I wasn't thinking politics when we bought either. One is more comfortable, one is more economic and both are fun. I prefer the X5, my wife the Tesla and life goes on.

In general less pollution is better than more a d cleaner environment is better for all. The only question really is whether it is worth the cost. Or are you saying you's rather live in a polluted place but the govt is not allowing you.

You know without any regulation life would be pretty hard. All we are arguing about is when is there too much?

My only advice is that you should think about the facts and the world you want to live in and your kids to live in. I bet you are glad you live in a clean environment - but hate the regulations that made it possible.

[GREENPUS]

Originally Posted by Penguino

Curious how sustainable and clean Hydrogen is and any possible effects on global warming if every vehicle on earth starts releasing water vapor?

Probably as safe as the catalytic converters and smoke stack scrubbers that only release CO2