[DarkstarZero]

Originally Posted by packet

Brother from another mother.

The amount of M badging and general gaudiness in the M's is just a turn-off.

As an example, the M5 should be this super luxurious stealth road rocket barely discernible from a regular 5 on the outside - except for 3 things (quad exhaust tips, the side marker lights, and the M5 logo).

Instead, it seems to be something that has an insane amount of gaudiness (red paddle shifters, red ignition button, really?) and M logos plastered everywhere (case in point, the new M5 has illuminated M5 badges just below the headrest - wtf seriously why?)

<end rant>

In my opinion, they should either go full M Mode like the 3.0 CSL, make it a batmobile with decals. Or go full sleeper like the e39 M5.





Instead BMW M has been doing this in-between thing where they can't make up their mind on anything except that they want a bigger grill because someone said the Chinese like that sort of thing. They're wrong.

[Kuato2084]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

Why would you say this? Because you don't like the way it looks? What if I do? Looks are so subjective it seems silly to complain about it.

And regardless of how it looks, I'm 100% positive it blows the F80 away. It's a real M3, trust me.

I gotta completely disagree until the DME lockout is figured out. Once tuners can get the G8x's S58 unlocked then yeah F8x will be a thing of the past. Until then I'd take a tuned F8x over a locked G8x all-day.

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by Kuato2084

I gotta completely disagree until the DME lockout is figured out. Once tuners can get the G8x's S58 unlocked then yeah F8x will be a thing of the past. Until then I'd take a tuned F8x over a locked G8x all-day.

That's not a fair comparison, but unless you're on a track all that power is waisted anyway.

[Kuato2084]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

That's not a fair comparison, but unless you're on a track all that power is waisted anyway.

I mean I'm not trying to compare a tuned car vs a non-tuned car, but more along what's available to consumers right now in terms of available engine output.

And I dunno about wasted power. For top-end, absolutely. But I can (safely) max out torque driving on the street and feel all of the power delivery as if I was on a track. Torque delivery is where the fun's at for me because I get that mule-kick without having to break the speed limit.

[Fined]

I will tune in for this one when they release a small-ish performance car that is substantially lighter than the series model.

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by Kuato2084

I gotta completely disagree until the DME lockout is figured out. Once tuners can get the G8x's S58 unlocked then yeah F8x will be a thing of the past. Until then I'd take a tuned F8x over a locked G8x all-day.

The F8x CS was benchmark for the G8x base!

[Oldcskool]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

Why would you say this? Because you don't like the way it looks? What if I do? Looks are so subjective it seems silly to complain about it.

And regardless of how it looks, I'm 100% positive it blows the F80 away. It's a real M3, trust me.

Also ,there’s no real “last classic.” Classics are made constantly. Every generation has a fan group that consider that model to be a “classic.”

Imagine the case of the new G80 M3. There’s going to be a 16 year old kid who will love it and will dream of owning one someday. Fast forward 10-15 years, that kid worked hard and has enough money to buy an M3 of his own. The G80 M3 he fell in love with 15 years earlier will be considered by them a “classic”

It’s all relative, and a classic is made every single day 😃

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by Oldcskool

Also ,there’s no real “last classic.” Classics are made constantly. Every generation has a fan group that consider that model to be a “classic.”

Imagine the case of the new G80 M3. There’s going to be a 16 year old kid who will love it and will dream of owning one someday. Fast forward 10-15 years, that kid worked hard and has enough money to buy an M3 of his own. The G80 M3 he fell in love with 15 years earlier will be considered by them a “classic”

It’s all relative, and a classic is made every single day 😃

This. "The E30.."

I was born in 84 and have no connection to that car. I fell in love with the E46 and E90.

So, 16 year old person on these forums saving up for your own M3, ignore everyone's opinion on here and drive what makes you happy.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Artemis

So, for 2022 a CSe for the wealthy few and a CSL for the mere mortals ?

BMW M boss Markus Flasch recently on Instagram:
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I like what's under the white tarp very very much.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by lemetier

I like what's under the white tarp very very much.

Reloaded.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

https://www.carmag.co.za/news/rumour...sent-for-2022/

CarMag forgot to quote the source, which is this:

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

• M4 CSL is possible with SOP 07/22 and a very short production run.

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by Artemis

CarMag forgot to quote the source, which is this:

Anything about these?


https://insideevs.com/photo/5685014/...ule-prototype/

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

Anything about these?
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https://insideevs.com/photo/5685014/...ule-prototype/

OK, just made a dedicated thread (featuring credits to you).

See here ("BMW Electric Vehicle winter testing: 2016 F87 M2 featuring some unreleased goodies").