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      02-21-2019, 12:34 PM   #1
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X1 IIHS test fails all the pedestrian tests

Using the same system apparently that worked great in X5 testing

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/21/...g-pedestrians/
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      02-21-2019, 01:16 PM   #2
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That is bad.

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      02-21-2019, 01:31 PM   #3
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So this supports the claim that many of us G05 owners have - the system doesn't work. Thankfully none of us have been tempted to fully put it to the test as the result would have been disastrous.

Is there no liability on BMW for selling an inoperable safety feature??!! Or have they just been lucky enough so far that nobody has actually hit a pedestrian? I've never hit a pedestrian and god willing I never do, but I'm not naive to the fact that accidents DO happen which is why cars are being equipped with these features. I had auto braking in my XC90, and it worked (several times), and I bought my G05 with the understanding it had the same equipment. BMW - ARE YOU LISTENING???
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      02-21-2019, 02:26 PM   #4
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"and I bought my G05 with the understanding it had the same equipment. BMW - ARE YOU LISTENING???[/QUOTE]"

I second that! I sure hope NO ONE on this forum or elsewhere has to experience this the hard way! You'll never know it doesn't work until....it doesn't work!
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      02-21-2019, 02:28 PM   #5
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This is really f***ing bad...
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      02-21-2019, 02:32 PM   #6
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Perhaps we've misunderstood, or the system has been misrepresented by CAs and Geniuses.

It was my understanding that this car would stop autonomously when it detects a pedestrian in it's path.

However, the manual for the X5 and X1 and I'm sure others does not say the vehicle will stop by itself. It says that it will assist in braking when the driver has already applied the brakes after the warning.

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Person warning with City light braking function

Concept

The system can help prevent accidents with pedestrians.

When driving at city speeds, the system will issue a warning if there is imminent risk of a collision with pedestrians, and support this with a light braking function.

The camera in the area of the interior mirror controls the system.
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Braking intervention

The warning prompts the driver to react. During a warning, the maximum braking force is used. Prerequisite for the brake booster is sufficiently quick and hard stepping on the brake pedal. If there is a risk of collision, the system may assist with braking. When the vehicle is traveling at a low speed, the vehicle may come to a complete stop.

The braking intervention occurs only if vehicle stability has not been restricted, for instance by deactivating the DSC Dynamic Stability Control.

The driver may cancel the braking intervention by stepping on the accelerator pedal or by actively moving the steering wheel.

Object detection can be restricted. Follow the limitations of the detection range and functional limitations.
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      02-21-2019, 02:40 PM   #7
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The Euro NCAP test of the X5 shows it automatically braking for all the pedestrian tests similar to the one shown on the IIHS video.

I tried to see if NCAP tested the X1 but couldn't find a pedestrian test video like the X5.
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      02-21-2019, 02:44 PM   #8
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I saw another article on this test which had a statement from BMW that said that the system in the car they tested is NOT designed to detect pedestrians, just cars. I realize that the article linked above states that the BMW had a pedestrian detection system in it, BMW refutes that claim.

Long story short, perhaps the x5 system is different.
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      02-21-2019, 02:49 PM   #9
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I saw another article on this test which had a statement from BMW that said that the system in the car they tested is NOT designed to detect pedestrians, just cars. I realize that the article linked above states that the BMW had a pedestrian detection system in it, BMW refutes that claim.

Long story short, perhaps the x5 system is different.
Funny since they list it as a feature on the X1 website.
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      02-21-2019, 03:00 PM   #10
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Ugh. Come on BMW!
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I saw another article on this test which had a statement from BMW that said that the system in the car they tested is NOT designed to detect pedestrians, just cars. I realize that the article linked above states that the BMW had a pedestrian detection system in it, BMW refutes that claim.

Long story short, perhaps the x5 system is different.
The discussions on the G05 forum have been more focused on this system not detecting cars, and its failure to intervene in instances that it should have. Its not often a pedestrian jumps in front of your vehicle, but if the G05 system can't detect another car, then it likely wont detect a pedestrian either - just like the X1.
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      02-21-2019, 03:52 PM   #12
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The Euro NCAP test of the X5 shows it automatically braking for all the pedestrian tests similar to the one shown on the IIHS video.
The video doesn't actually show that the car stopped itself, just that the "system avoided crash". Which might just mean the warning came on, the driver applied the brakes and the car added brake pressure to avoid the collision.

Here is BMW's video on the system, and it doesn't say that the car will apply the brakes, only that it will assist.



This would be disappointing if that is all the system can do. I assumed or was told it was comparable to other systems currently on the market.
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      02-21-2019, 04:00 PM   #13
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There is nothing to interpret. Here is the G05 crash test in action.

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      02-21-2019, 04:01 PM   #14
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The video doesn't actually show that the car stopped itself, just that the "system avoided crash". Which might just mean the warning came on, the driver applied the brakes and the car added brake pressure to avoid the collision.


This would be disappointing if that is all the system can do. I assumed or was told it was comparable to other systems currently on the market.
The OM says it will brake independently.
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The video doesn't actually show that the car stopped itself, just that the "system avoided crash". Which might just mean the warning came on, the driver applied the brakes and the car added brake pressure to avoid the collision.
Here is the report from NCAP. It says the AEB worked well or adequately, which is the automatic braking. Not crystal clear but it implies that it braked itself.

https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/42555...-datasheet.pdf
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      02-21-2019, 04:10 PM   #16
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Has anyone raised a PUMA for this?
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      02-21-2019, 04:19 PM   #17
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Well, this is reassuring.
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      02-21-2019, 04:26 PM   #18
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Well...this has me even more convinced our frontal collision warning systems aren't working at all.
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      02-21-2019, 05:07 PM   #20
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Well they are going to have to explain this regardless. This is bad press. Getting bested by way cheaper vehicles. Their manuals seem purposely vague around these safety systems. Maybe this is the reason.
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The OM says it will brake independently.
It doesn’t actually say it will stop. It just says it will help reduce speed.
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It doesn’t actually say it will stop. It just says it will help reduce speed.
Obviously they can't say it will stop since that can't be predicted and would be legal suicide.

Look at the wording - "If an accident cannot be prevented, the system will help reduce the impact speed." That means brakes will be applied, you may stop and prevent an accident or the vehicle may be slowed down.
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