[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by spreddybmw

Can you please advise what is that Adapter.

I’ve not laid my eyes on it, but from what I’ve gathered from this and another thread, the 50e’s included EVSE can charge at both level 1 and level 2, but an adapter to use at level 2 is not included and must be purchased separately.

[RetSurfer]

As a comparison, I purchased a ChargePoint Home Flex, Level 2 up to 50 Amps. $750
Electrician to put a 50-amp double switch in one of my panels, run a wire around 50 feet using a direct connect to the CP. $750
I didn’t know before that the included charger line with my new 50e could be a level 2, (with whatever the cost of the of that was) but, to me, it wouldn’t have mattered.
So, $1500 total…

[rexus300]

Im debating now to get either the BMW Level 2 charger or the Chargepoint Home Flex... Can either one charge 2 cars in the future and distribute the power between both?

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by rexus300

Im debating now to get either the BMW Level 2 charger or the Chargepoint Home Flex... Can either one charge 2 cars in the future and distribute the power between both?

link to the BMW one? I’m not familiar with it. ChargePoint can’t load share

you don’t necessarily need load-sharing, but it adds safety to the system. some have purchased an adapter to plug two EVs into one circuit (for example, NeoCharge). AFAIK, this device doesn’t allow simultaneous charging, but sequential, meaning after one vehicle is done charging, the logic will switch the active outlet and charge the other vehicle. the problem with such a device is that it doesn't know the max amps allowed on the circuit and won't manage any current. JuiceBox can. here’s my setup:

[breslaw]

I've had my 45E for about 15 months and wanted to see if I really needed to upgrade to 220. I drive about 30 miles a day mostly. I was frustrated with the 110 charger that came with the car as it took over 20 hours to fully charge. After discussions with my BMW dealer I upgraded to a portable 110/220 charger. They told me the charge time at 110 was 50% faster than the original. IT WAS TRUE. It is always fully charged in the morning. By the way I am averaging on electric over about 35MPG. The 45E is the best vehicle I have ever owned.

[rexus300]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

link to the BMW one? I’m not familiar with it. ChargePoint can’t load share

you don’t necessarily need load-sharing, but it adds safety to the system. some have purchased an adapter to plug two EVs into one circuit (for example, NeoCharge). AFAIK, it doesn’t allow simultaneous charging, but sequential, meaning after one vehicle is done charging, the logic will switch the active outlet and charge the other vehicle. the problem with such a device is that it doesn't know the max amps allowed on the circuit and won't manage any current. JuiceBox can. here’s my setup:

Great to know thank you!

This is the BMW charger

https://www.shopbmwusa.com/product/15073/BMW-Wallbox

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by breslaw

I've had my 45E for about 15 months and wanted to see if I really needed to upgrade to 220. I drive about 30 miles a day mostly. I was frustrated with the 110 charger that came with the car as it took over 20 hours to fully charge. After discussions with my BMW dealer I upgraded to a portable 110/220 charger. They told me the charge time at 110 was 50% faster than the original. IT WAS TRUE. It is always fully charged in the morning. By the way I am averaging on electric over about 35MPG. The 45E is the best vehicle I have ever owned.

WARNING: its VERY IMPORTANT to point out to newcomers that with such a third-party device, its level 1 charging with 110/120V is fixed at 16A, so while you can use a common household outlet to charge from 0-100% in ~11h, it must be a dedicated 20A circuit. the issue is most are only 15A, so the max charge rate is only 12A which takes ~17h to charge. your setup doesn't simply work for everyone; there are safety concerns attached. if they're not addressed, a major thermal event can occur

[rexus300]

Originally Posted by breslaw

I've had my 45E for about 15 months and wanted to see if I really needed to upgrade to 220. I drive about 30 miles a day mostly. I was frustrated with the 110 charger that came with the car as it took over 20 hours to fully charge. After discussions with my BMW dealer I upgraded to a portable 110/220 charger. They told me the charge time at 110 was 50% faster than the original. IT WAS TRUE. It is always fully charged in the morning. By the way I am averaging on electric over about 35MPG. The 45E is the best vehicle I have ever owned.

That's very good! If I'm doing 90 miles a day 5 days a week, how often will I need to charge it overnight with highway driving? How often do you fill up the gas tank? We are replacing the x5d which gets 600 plus on a tank at 31 mpg.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by rexus300

Great to know thank you!

This is the BMW charger

https://www.shopbmwusa.com/product/15073/BMW-Wallbox

nope, that one can't load share either

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

nope, that one can't load share either

correct, when I said wall box, I don't mean BMW wallbox model EVSE. I means this Wallbox brand

https://wallbox.com/en_us/

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by rexus300

That's very good! If I'm doing 90 miles a day 5 days a week, how often will I need to charge it overnight with highway driving? How often do you fill up the gas tank? We are replacing the x5d which gets 600 plus on a tank at 31 mpg.

your 50e's HV battery will only cover a portion of your daily drive, so to have full use of it for offsetting fuel use, you'll need to fully charge every night.

fuel fill-up intervals are highly variable among PHEV users. for me, i drive <30 miles/day, so i can go months. my longest was 7 months. on my current cycle, i last filled up in Dec 2022 with 30% fuel still left in my tank

[jad03060]

Originally Posted by Elle BMW

I have an I4 and a hard wired charger, I will be able to use that to charge this vehicle correct?

All vehicles sold in the USA except Tesla use the same J1772 plug, so yes, it will work on the 50e.

All EVSEs have a control output called the pilot signal that tells the vehicle the maximum current they can supply. Then, it is up to the vehicle to never pull more than that. Since the power supply is IN the vehicle, just like plugging in a lamp, it pulls what it wants to, but in this case, it's a bit smarter, since it will abide by the pilot signal sent to it to never exceed that value. This allows the vehicle to operate with an EVSE that might not be able to max out the vehicle's capacity...i.e., say it can only supply 10A, the vehicle, even though it COULD use more, will limit its draw to that 10A.

[fr_tz]

This is what comes with the 50e for those interested

[KT_OH]

Originally Posted by fr_tz

This is what comes with the 50e for those interested

Does that included EVSE list the part number for the level 2 adapter that fits it?

[nZtiZia]

a video on the use of the flexible fast charger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by fr_tz

This is what comes with the 50e for those interested

From the look of it, the cable between the EVSE and J1772 is a lot beefier than what we got in 45e. Ours has yellow and skinny cable for this section. The cable between the wall plug and EVSE, ours isn't detachable, so it force us to use 110V 15A plug.

I like the idea of this EVSE that can support both 110V and 220V, but the 14-50 adaptor cable is just too expansive IMO. Someone mentioned $230? Hopefully we get to see after market support.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by Bhuvi

I'm reading all of the above. My ? is if we are really looking at a hybrid vehicle with a smaller battery (compared to a full electric) do you really need to have the wallbox/chargeflex etc. Granted it seems better but isn't that setup significantly more expensive? My reason so far to get the adapter was it does the job fast - uses included equipment and therefore cost is less. Please correct me if I'm wrong (novice in the EV *******

I mean, none of these are need. Even X5 isn't a need but want.

People getting a more expansive EVSE mainly for additional feature above basic charging capabilities, such as user selectable current limit, schedule charging, share charging, logging .... Not everything is important to everyone. Myself started with Juicebox for the first two features listed

[jad03060]

Not everyone has a lot of space or power available in their panel...while the new X5 can only pull a max of 32A, the flexible multi-charger can supply 40A, which means that it SHOULD be supplied with 50A to prevent potential overloading of the wiring should you plug a friend's vehicle in while visiting that can use more than your X5 currently can. While, because your X5 won't overload a 40A circuit, it should be wired with a 50A one, which adds to the installation costs.

[fr_tz]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

From the look of it, the cable between the EVSE and J1772 is a lot beefier than what we got in 45e. Ours has yellow and skinny cable for this section. The cable between the wall plug and EVSE, ours isn't detachable, so it force us to use 110V 15A plug.

I like the idea of this EVSE that can support both 110V and 220V, but the 14-50 adaptor cable is just too expansive IMO. Someone mentioned $230? Hopefully we get to see after market support.

16AWG cable..definitely beefy

[fr_tz]

Originally Posted by KT_OH

Does that included EVSE list the part number for the level 2 adapter that fits it?

Is this what you’re looking for?

[KT_OH]

Thanks

[jad03060]

Originally Posted by fr_tz

16AWG cable..definitely beefy

FWIW, 16AWG is not beefy...now if that was a typo and you meant 6g, that's beefy. A 15A circuit requires at least 14g, 20A needs 12g, and the wire needs to be heavier as the current level rises.