[aaaaaaaaaz]

Originally Posted by SwissBeemer

Unfortunately yes which is why I still don't have my car even though I ordered on 1st of March.

It might make you feel less jealous if you know the price difference: A fully loaded X5 50e comes to about $128k before taxes in Germany, add at least 20% for swiss prices. The base 50e comes to around $90k in Germany compared to $75k in the US. Although to be fair i haven't checked the difference in extras that are standard but the buying power is higher in the US as well.

Also you get autonomous driving in the US which is still not legal in Europe, so no Highway Assist for us. On the other hand the "dazzle free headlights" are legal over here ...

You guys get the "proper" rear turning signal light

[Heavyd]

Originally Posted by alanzyy

Options differ based on market regardless where the car is made (almost all G05 are made in SC; minus some Asia).

In US almost all BMW come with sunroof as a non-deletable standard item; for EU in many case it is an upgrade option costing $$$ for entry level BMW.

Who decides what is available per country? BMW AG in Germany or each importer per country independently?

BTW I too have al those options that are not available in the US But no autonomous driving.

[aaaaaaaaaz]

Originally Posted by Heavyd

Who decides what is available per country? BMW AG in Germany or each importer per country independently?

BTW I too have al those options that are not available in the US But no autonomous driving.

Your local BMW subsidiary in conjunction of BMW HQ...

BMW NA, BMW Belux, BMW Schweiz, etc

[MartieNYBK]

Originally Posted by SwissBeemer

Unfortunately yes which is why I still don't have my car even though I ordered on 1st of March.

It might make you feel less jealous if you know the price difference: A fully loaded X5 50e comes to about $128k before taxes in Germany, add at least 20% for swiss prices. The base 50e comes to around $90k in Germany compared to $75k in the US. Although to be fair i haven't checked the difference in extras that are standard but the buying power is higher in the US as well.

Also you get autonomous driving in the US which is still not legal in Europe, so no Highway Assist for us. On the other hand the "dazzle free headlights" are legal over here ...

If you know anyone in USA then you can have that person buy the X5 and ship it to Germany. You could save 15K - 20K. Maybe even give like 1K or something like that tip to that person for doing the job.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by MartieNYBK

If you know anyone in USA then you can have that person buy the X5 and ship it to Germany. You could save 15K - 20K. Maybe even give like 1K or something like that tip to that person for doing the job.

And lose his warranty as well as going through the hassle of trying to get the connected services to work not to mention trying to get it shipped and imported. Importing a vehicle from another country rarely, if ever, makes financial or practical sense.

[jad03060]

Originally Posted by MartieNYBK

If you know anyone in USA then you can have that person buy the X5 and ship it to Germany. You could save 15K - 20K. Maybe even give like 1K or something like that tip to that person for doing the job.

Some stuff, like lighting, are different per region, so to make a US vehicle fully legal in some other countries would take replacing parts, that can get quite expensive, and paying for a new license for the nav and cellular so you could get OTA updates and other connected services could be a major problem, too...warranty is not international, either...what's covered is covered by the local country, but the EU may cover you elsewhere in the EU...don't know.

[apw2607]

Originally Posted by SwissBeemer

Also you get autonomous driving in the US which is still not legal in Europe, so no Highway Assist for us. On the other hand the "dazzle free headlights" are legal over here ...

BMW has got approval for the Highway Assistant capability to be used on German roads

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/06/bm...ph-in-germany/

[BobsM3Coupe]

Originally Posted by alanzyy

You guys get the "proper" rear turning signal light

But then you only get half of the lighting available for brake light application.

[Heavyd]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

And lose his warranty as well as going through the hassle of trying to get the connected services to work not to mention trying to get it shipped and imported. Importing a vehicle from another country rarely, if ever, makes financial or practical sense.

A friend of mine imported once a new Mustang to Belgium. A model that we couldn’t buy overhere. After all taxes, VAT, import hassle, … the price was doubled.

[Heavyd]

Originally Posted by apw2607

BMW has got approval for the Highway Assistant capability to be used on German roads

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/06/bm...ph-in-germany/

So why can’t I use it when driving in Germany? I just crossed Germany and no Highway assistant. Everytime I cross a border my 45e gives instantaneously a message that the behaviour has changed to the country where I’m driving in.

[SwissBeemer]

Originally Posted by alanzyy

You guys get the "proper" rear turning signal light

True, and I prefer it a lot, to be honest. Also DLR's are standard here, although you can deactivate them. So you'll have the taillights look the same as at night and at the front only the arrows being illuminated.

Originally Posted by MartieNYBK

If you know anyone in USA then you can have that person buy the X5 and ship it to Germany. You could save 15K - 20K. Maybe even give like 1K or something like that tip to that person for doing the job.

I did that back in 2008 when the $ was extremely weak. Lights could be reprogrammed and some speedos, especially in the more expensive cars, were already digital so not a lot of work was involved in getting them street legal. But back then the difference was a lot more than it is today, and it only worked for a rather short period of time. (Summer of 2008 if I remember correct.) And then you still have a US import, which is worth less on the used market. Not 20k when reselling after a few years, sure, but the savings aren't really worth the hassle. The difference is only really there when living in the actual country. Locally you can save a few bucks (I'm buying my car in Germany and importing it to Switzerland, saving a few grand.) but over the pond the taxes/costs are way too high and the work way too much. If you live in the US though earning US wages a X5 is a lot more affordable to you than to a German consumer.

Originally Posted by apw2607

BMW has got approval for the Highway Assistant capability to be used on German roads

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/06/bm...ph-in-germany/

Ooooh that would be great! Althought the X5 is not mentioned. I'll ask around in the German forum if anyone can already used it although I haven't heard of anyone so far.

[AFizzy81]

I tried to get it on my X5 and was told it was only on X7 now.

[FIOSCH]

Originally Posted by SwissBeemer

Unfortunately yes which is why I still don't have my car even though I ordered on 1st of March.

It might make you feel less jealous if you know the price difference: A fully loaded X5 50e comes to about $128k before taxes in Germany, add at least 20% for swiss prices. The base 50e comes to around $90k in Germany compared to $75k in the US. Although to be fair i haven't checked the difference in extras that are standard but the buying power is higher in the US as well.

Also you get autonomous driving in the US which is still not legal in Europe, so no Highway Assist for us. On the other hand the "dazzle free headlights" are legal over here ...

The UK list price before tax (20% VAT) of fully loaded X5 50e including the most expensive (not individual) paint, wheels, upholstery and trim, with every optional extra box ticked (apart from the Integral Active Steering that can’t be selected currently) comes out on the configurator at £90,908.33, which is about $117,000 or €105,000. The UK base price of the 50e, again before tax, is £65,300 - around $84,000 or €76,000.

So that car apparently is less expensive in the UK than it is in Germany though there may well be differences in base specification and the range of optional extras available in Germany accounting for some or all of the price difference. However, I should imagine market considerations/level of taxation above all determine the pricing in each country.

Delivery times to the UK though appear to be much shorter than to Germany. I wonder if the greater degree of ‘customising’ that can be done ordering in Germany compared to the UK (and the US it seems) causes extended production times for German customers, similar to the effect of specifying an individual colour?

[Heavyd]

Originally Posted by FIOSCH

The UK list price before tax (20% VAT) of fully loaded X5 50e including the most expensive (not individual) paint, wheels, upholstery and trim, with every optional extra box ticked (apart from the Integral Active Steering that can’t be selected currently) comes out on the configurator at £90,908.33, which is about $117,000 or €105,000. The UK base price of the 50e, again before tax, is £65,300 - around $84,000 or €76,000.

So that car apparently is less expensive in the UK than it is in Germany though there may well be differences in base specification and the range of optional extras available in Germany accounting for some or all of the price difference. However, I should imagine market considerations/level of taxation above all determine the pricing in each country.

Delivery times to the UK though appear to be much shorter than to Germany. I wonder if the greater degree of ‘customising’ that can be done ordering in Germany compared to the UK (and the US it seems) causes extended production times for German customers, similar to the effect of specifying an individual colour?

Loaded 50e with 22” wheels, hitch, alcantara BW soundsystem, all pro packages, M package, Merino leather, all other packages and options is 130.000 euro’s 21%VAT included. No discount included.

[1230vani]

Originally Posted by apw2607

BMW has got approval for the Highway Assistant capability to be used on German roads

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/06/bm...ph-in-germany/

This is big news! Thanks

[FIOSCH]

Just for avoidance of doubt, the above UK price for the 50e fully loaded and the base price of that, are of course for the M Sport model - actually the 50e is not available in the UK as the ‘xLine’ model (‘Sport’ in the US or ‘Serie’ in Germany).

Also one option I missed in configuring the fully loaded car (a bit hidden away in the configurator) was ‘M Carbon Side Mirror Caps’ - £900

[FIOSCH]

Originally Posted by Heavyd

Loaded 50e with 22” wheels, hitch, alcantara BW soundsystem, all pro packages, M package, Merino leather, all other packages and options is 130.000 euro’s 21%VAT included. No discount included.

OK - so maybe not a significant difference as UK price for that, with literally every box ticked (apart from service package) and with 20% VAT added would be £109,990 plus ‘On the Road Fee’ of £905

[cobramite]

I would have no use for this heated/cooled cup business and think it is a pretty stupid feature but am unclear as to how this would "cool" a cup of anything.
Do the people who find the absence of this gimmick a hardship have heating and cooling apparatus for their drink containers at the dining room table also?

[Heavyd]

Originally Posted by FIOSCH

OK - so maybe not a significant difference as UK price for that, with literally every box ticked (apart from service package) and with 20% VAT added would be £109,990 plus ‘On the Road Fee’ of £905

I forgot to mention that’s the price in Belgium.

[BMPHIL]

Originally Posted by cobramite

I would have no use for this heated/cooled cup business and think it is a pretty stupid feature but am unclear as to how this would "cool" a cup of anything.
Do the people who find the absence of this gimmick a hardship have heating and cooling apparatus for their drink containers at the dining room table also?

I have them and they will never be used.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by BMPHIL

I have them and they will never be used.

The cooling aspect if it works would be nice for a 16oz can of Modelo.

[Tejas1836]

The cooling works great for keeping cold drinks cold. I never have a hot drink in the car