[Jlewisinsyr]

53 miles and achieved about 51 miles before switching to ICE/hybrid.

[Guy Fleegman]

I don't put much faith in the estimated range on battery power, as it's much like looking at the weather forecast for yesterday.

But I did notice when I started the car yesterday on a 90-degree afternoon, the range displayed was 43 with the AC running. I turned off the AC and the range jumped to 50 immediately, with the car still parked. While I don't make much use of the information, it was interesting to see the effect of the AC on range.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by Jlewisinsyr

53 miles and achieved about 51 miles before switching to ICE/hybrid.

US spec or EU spec?

Per US spec, 51 miles/1.7kWh = 3.0Mi/kWh. While it is possible in very special usage case, say driving down hill, but under most normal usage, it is highly improbable. 3Mi/kWh is in the very efficient BEV category for the size. Even Rivian cannot do this, hack, even model X cannot do this.

[jad03060]

When I had my i3, one day it was parked in my fairly warm garage. To do some stuff there, I moved it outside overnight where it was in the teens (F). I moved it maybe 20'. When I got into it the next morning, the estimated range had dropped about 10 miles...the temperature has a real effect on an EV or PHEV range. While the i3 had a heat pump, so was more efficient at heating than the PHEV, the X5 PHEVs do not, so there's a bigger difference in HVAC energy uses than on a vehicle with a heat pump...ALL HVAC in the X5 PHEVs is done electrically. Cooling moves more BTUs per watt than heating does (IOW, heating costs more in power than cooling to change the cabin temperature one degree).

Vehicles have had estimated range to empty on their ICE vehicles for decades...the range listed on a PHEV or BEV is the same...it's an estimate based on previous use and in no way is going to represent reality for your NEXT drive all of the time...unless your driving and use are identical (how often does that happen?).

The EPA (of what's used elsewhere in the world) estimate is done under specific controlled conditions so that you can get an apples-to-apples comparison, but was NEVER intended to be a guarantee of what you'd get in YOUR situation and use case.

[Jlewisinsyr]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

US spec or EU spec?

Per US spec, 51 miles/1.7kWh = 3.0Mi/kWh. While it is possible in very special usage case, say driving down hill, but under most normal usage, it is highly improbable. 3Mi/kWh is in the very efficient BEV category for the size. Even Rivian cannot do this, hack, even model X cannot do this.

Coded EU.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by Jlewisinsyr

Coded EU.

Nice. When I get time, I will definitely do it as well m

[RickObe]

Originally Posted by Jlewisinsyr

Coded EU.

Are you concerned about battery warranty with the coded EU spec? Do you plan to "uncode" it every time it goes in for service? Or maybe just uncode it if there's a battery/drive train issue?

[Jlewisinsyr]

Originally Posted by RickObe

Are you concerned about battery warranty with the coded EU spec? Do you plan to "uncode" it every time it goes in for service? Or maybe just uncode it if there's a battery/drive train issue?

Not at all and I’m leasing anyway.

[JMD]

Originally Posted by P1

Not sure if I would go by the starting range. Fully charge it and drive it around in Individual Electric until you run out of juice.

Then post that number.

But then my question would have to be,..."What is the farthest eMiles you've driven in 'Individual Electric' mode?" vs,..."Post Your Highest 45e Starting eRange thus far!"

[JMD]

Originally Posted by volodp

100 km. Which is what? 62 miles? That’s in Europe. But usually closer to 60-65 km (40 miles).

Nice!

[JMD]

Originally Posted by jad03060

The drive before my last charge was partly on stop and go city streets, then, primarily on divided highways. Temp was in the 60's which probably tempered the need for heat or cooling as it was sunny...after recharging, mine read 42-miles...one of the higher readings I've seen. Next trips will all be in the city, so it will likely go back to low 30's.

Nice! ...you understood the assignment. We'll see if I ever see a range of 42 miles on a full charge,...as based on last driving parameters, etc.

[JMD]

Originally Posted by jad03060

The estimate is based on the last 18-miles of use which assumes your next miles will be exactly the same. That doesn't happen very often. Unless you realize that, expecting it to represent your future reality is futile. Once you realize that, you can make your own estimate that may be closer to reality based on how you drove (the only thing the vehicle knows), and how you plan those future miles will be. Keep in mind that it's a rolling average, so as you drive a mile, the oldest one in the estimate gets thrown away from the calculation. So, yes, the estimated range to empty can seem really weird...like staying at the same value for more than a few miles, or increase, or radically drop faster than the distance you've traveled.

Understood,... Ty

[JMD]

Originally Posted by Jlewisinsyr

53 miles and achieved about 51 miles before switching to ICE/hybrid.

Well done,...yessir! Very nice,...just imagine getting these kind of results consistently!

[kfer]

The highest estimate before start was 111 km.
The highest estimate while driving was 140 km (37.7 km driven plus estimated range 103 km).
The maximum distance with purely electric driving was 78 km + 16 km estimated range.

[Jlewisinsyr]

Originally Posted by JMD

Well done,...yessir! Very nice,...just imagine getting these kind of results consistently!

I generally get mid 40 range.

[JMD]

Originally Posted by Jlewisinsyr

I generally get mid 40 range.

Nice! Ty

[JMD]

Originally Posted by kfer

The highest estimate before start was 111 km.
The highest estimate while driving was 140 km (37.7 km driven plus estimated range 103 km).
The maximum distance with purely electric driving was 78 km + 16 km estimated range.

You may be the Top Dog for 45e range showing at start! We can only dream of that kind of starting range in the U.S.!

[ddnmkun]

US spec, 50 miles! Didn’t know why, just did a road trip with obvious mostly gas highway miles, and today ev range shot up to 50, it’s typically 32-35miles.

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by ddnmkun

US spec, 50 miles! Didn’t know why, just did a road trip with obvious mostly gas highway miles, and today ev range shot up to 50, it’s typically 32-35miles.

that higher electric range upon full charge is simply a reflection of efficient driving prior to charging. it sounds like you had a decent amount of hill descents on your recent road trip there in the PNW. such features play in your favor. to actually achieve those 50 electric miles, you'd have to drive exactly the same way as you did prior to charging. otherwise, it's the typical 30ish miles

[zsap]

95km (59 miles) in the EU version of starting range.

Finally, I drove 80km (49 miles) with pure electric engine, but I was the slowest car in the city ;-) (driving with respect to the signs, which nobody is doing here)

[ddnmkun]

Originally Posted by nZtiZia

that higher electric range upon full charge is simply a reflection of efficient driving prior to charging. it sounds like you had a decent amount of hill descents on your recent road trip there in the PNW. such features play in your favor. to actually achieve those 50 electric miles, you'd have to drive exactly the same way as you did prior to charging. otherwise, it's the typical 30ish miles

Thanks for your insight!
So because the car was driving gas uphill and electric downhill and the car thought it was efficient cause it only looked at how it was used?

[nZtiZia]

Originally Posted by ddnmkun

Thanks for your insight!
So because the car was driving gas uphill and electric downhill and the car thought it was efficient cause it only looked at how it was used?

in a nutshell, yes, but this concept shouldn't feel foreign. it's no different with the estimated range showing on the instrument cluster in gasoline-only vehicles. if you baby the throttle, you'll burn less gasoline which is the same as being more efficient, and you'll get more range. if you gun it, you'll burn more gasoline which is the same as being less efficient, and you'll get less range given the same amount of gasoline