[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

Obviously we don’t drive car the same way, and we don’t categorize good car the same way. So different I don’t think I can explain. I respect your preferences, it isn’t just isn’t mine.

Personally, I think they should have detuned the 6 cylinder for regular. Our Expedition makes 375hp out of its 3.5L Ecoboost on regular. That's a WAY bigger deal to me.

That said, to be totally honest, if I was buying an X7, I'd probably be more inclined to get the lower power I6 vs the V8. There's a size where stuff stops being fun, and the x7 might be over that size, or at least feel like it is. Our Expedition absolutely is too big to be fun. The X5, still small enough to be fun when pushed. Not as fun as an R53 Mini Cooper S, but still more fun than trudging along in a Lexus.

[eluded]

Agreed, not that I worry about those cost when dropping this type of money on an SUV. It was one of the factors of us going with the BMW over the model X. Model X insurance is twice as much and the X seems to depreciate even more that the German US assembled X5

Originally Posted by BlkGS

If you're worried about operating costs, you're likely also worried about upkeep and insurance, in which case you're not going to buy German. You'll buy a nicely equipped Japanese car, maybe a Lexus.

[mysore]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Not sure how you are defining market leader but sales wise the Lexus RX is the leader in the US midsize Luxury SUV market.

If so, my interpretation of data is wrong…. Does RX and X5 compete in the same market segment, I thought x5 is a lot bigger than RX….

[matowi]

Originally Posted by cobramite

You mean there are no Costcos in Poland?

PRECISELY!

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by matowi

PRECISELY!

Probably good for many of the retail business owners in your country.
Walmart/Sams Club, Costco, etc have devastated hundreds of thousands of small businesses in this country.

[tinfoiltuna]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Personally, I think they should have detuned the 6 cylinder for regular. Our Expedition makes 375hp out of its 3.5L Ecoboost on regular. That's a WAY bigger deal to me.

That said, to be totally honest, if I was buying an X7, I'd probably be more inclined to get the lower power I6 vs the V8. There's a size where stuff stops being fun, and the x7 might be over that size, or at least feel like it is. Our Expedition absolutely is too big to be fun. The X5, still small enough to be fun when pushed. Not as fun as an R53 Mini Cooper S, but still more fun than trudging along in a Lexus.

I went from a ‘23 X7 40i to a ‘23 X7 M60i for several reasons, but can say the V8 is fun in the “this is totally ridiculous and doesn’t make any sense” aspect. It’s not a sports car but it brings a grin on my face in sport plus mode. Does it make sense for a 7-seater 6000lb family car? Probably not…

With that being said, I 100% agree with you in that I think the 40i is the right choice for the X7. It just drives better all around - no pedal lag like the M60i, super linear unlike the M60i, sounds great, doesn’t guzzle gas.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by tinfoiltuna

I went from a ‘23 X7 40i to a ‘23 X7 M60i for several reasons, but can say the V8 is fun in the “this is totally ridiculous and doesn’t make any sense” aspect. It’s not a sports car but it brings a grin on my face in sport plus mode. Does it make sense for a 7-seater 6000lb family car? Probably not…

With that being said, I 100% agree with you in that I think the 40i is the right choice for the X7. It just drives better all around - no pedal lag like the M60i, super linear unlike the M60i, sounds great, doesn’t guzzle gas.

Ok, fair, I was being obtuse. Smashing the gas in it is still gonna be fun, amd i'd have a hard time convincing myself that I really really don't want the V8. All that said, personally, I think the PHEV is the right powertrain for the X7, and that's what it should have launched with.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by mysore

If so, my interpretation of data is wrong…. Does RX and X5 compete in the same market segment, I thought x5 is a lot bigger than RX….

I think exterior dimensions wise, they're competitive, but rear cargo space the RX gets slaughtered. You might be thinking of the NX? It's like a RAV4.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by mysore

If so, my interpretation of data is wrong…. Does RX and X5 compete in the same market segment, I thought x5 is a lot bigger than RX….

The are both in the luxury midsize segment. The RX has been the sales leader in the segment for many years and is once again in 2023.



https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2023-u...sales-figures/

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I think exterior dimensions wise, they're competitive, but rear cargo space the RX gets slaughtered. You might be thinking of the NX? It's like a RAV4.

This is incorrect. It is the other way around. X5 is big on exterior, but with a long hood. Interior passenger space is smaller than RX. X5 combined leg room is on the order of Honda CRV. I have measurement here for comparison if you search. RX trunk volume is small and less practical due to the slender tail gate. If Lexus makes it as vertical as x5, then their cargo may win as well. RX 2nd row is also moveable. So you can reduce leg room and gain some cargo. Now if you make RX same combine leg room as X5, I wonder how cargo volume compare. Our primary use of SUV is family hauler, and with rear facing child seat. Combine leg room is one of the highest priority. X5 works, but by no mean the most spacious in the segment.

[derek.megyesi]

Happy New Years Eve!

Thought I'd end this posting with an update. I decided to keep the 50e (even with the hitch assembly). The ride and overall gas mileage are just too awesome to me. Also, I spoke with my sales guy who sold me the X5, and he said that on his X4 M-Competition, he gets like 8MPG and has serious buyers remorse. I guess that is all I needed to hear to be at peace with my decision.

[Shanh81]

I have been going back and forth on either X5 50e or M60i. Problems with 50e giving me pause but gas mileage is factor with 40 miles round trip to work daily.

[aussieintexas]

Originally Posted by derek.megyesi

Happy New Years Eve!

Thought I'd end this posting with an update. I decided to keep the 50e (even with the hitch assembly). The ride and overall gas mileage are just too awesome to me. Also, I spoke with my sales guy who sold me the X5, and he said that on his X4 M-Competition, he gets like 8MPG and has serious buyers remorse. I guess that is all I needed to hear to be at peace with my decision.

In have a X3MC and I get 14 ish - and I don’t go easy on it…

[FCX5]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

The are both in the luxury midsize segment. The RX has been the sales leader in the segment for many years and is once again in 2023.

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https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2023-u...sales-figures/

Wow! I had no idea the RX was the sales leader in the segment given how ugly they look and how anemic the engine is. The interior is quite nice though in terms of fit and finish. The tech is 5 years behind BMW. I guess Toyota knows what their buyers look for. Surprised to see Rivian in that group as well. Although, I am seeing a few in the DMV area now…

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Shanh81

I have been going back and forth on either X5 50e or M60i. Problems with 50e giving me pause but gas mileage is factor with 40 miles round trip to work daily.

If you're worried about the gas mileage and 50e issues, get a 40i. The purchase price difference alone will make up for your fuel economy.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by aussieintexas

In have a X3MC and I get 14 ish - and I don’t go easy on it…

Yeah he got lied to, lol.

[derek.megyesi]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Yeah he got lied to, lol.

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I agree, 8MPG seems ridiculous. I think he was just being silly to make point that the pure gas M-cars burn fuel like crazy. But isn't that why you buy a M car.. for power up the ying-yang?

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Yeah he got lied to, lol.

I agree. 8mpg is probably a track day. Daily legal driving, very hard to get there

[kgelfen360]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

I agree. 8mpg is probably a track day. Daily legal driving, very hard to get there

lol yea classic sales guy bs. Everything they say is 50% exaggerated. 16mpg is more like it.

[X3_Alaska]

Originally Posted by krypttic

The Costco gas station closest to us is brand new with 8 lanes. I never have a problem pulling right up to the pump (and paying at least 75 cents less per gallon than other stations to boot). I have been to other ones with very long lines though. I used to be a gas snob and only buy name-brand stuff. If you actually read though, you'll see that Costco gas is just as good as the other top-tier stuff.

Of course I've had my 50e for over three months now and still haven't put any gas in it. I plug in at home and the 40 mile range is perfect for my 16 mile commute each way. It only cost about 80 cents to "fill up" too, since I charge during off-peak hours.

Don't forget to factor in the 4% rebate as well.

[eelnoraa]

Originally Posted by Alaska_X5

Don't forget to factor in the 4% rebate as well.

10 lanes in my local Costco, each lane has 3 pumps. If 5 min per car, this is 6 cars per minute serving rate. Wait time is usually less than 5 min. To get 20 min wait, there are 120 car in front, very unrealistic.

[krypttic]

Originally Posted by eelnoraa

10 lanes in my local Costco, each lane has 3 pumps. If 5 min per car, this is 6 cars per minute serving rate. Wait time is usually less than 5 min. To get 20 min wait, there are 120 car in front, very unrealistic.

Depends on your location. Some do indeed have a long wait, especially after work.