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      02-12-2020, 05:59 AM   #1
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Cool 2020 Mild Hybrid Diesel 40d

2020 Mild Hybrid Diesel BMW X5 And X6 XDrive 40d Variants Revealed

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Just spoken with a couple of Dealers in UK, available from May production so should hit UK shores in late June. Just negotiating a deal now, I will have to swallow the general price rise and higher First year VED as Co2 under WLTP measurement is close to 200g/km after April registration, which is £2k plus, as well as the fact its £2k dearer than a 30d... But worth it for the performance I think
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Just spoken with a couple of Dealers in UK, available from May production so should hit UK shores in late June. Just negotiating a deal now, I will have to swallow the general price rise and higher First year VED as Co2 under WLTP measurement is close to 200g/km after April registration, which is £2k plus, as well as the fact its £2k dearer than a 30d... But worth it for the performance I think
Only £2k over a 30d? That's not that bad I guess
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Only £2k over a 30d? That's not that bad I guess
yep but remember thats £2k more than the price increased 30d.. Think its something like £1970
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Seems interesting.

One question - in plain English, what's the benefit of 48v mild hybrid?
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- slightly better fuel economy
- less CO2 emissions (less taxes to pay in some countries)
- smoother start/stop - 48V electric motor engages earlier
- more HP
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Only £2k over a 30d? That's not that bad I guess
yep but remember thats £2k more than the price increased 30d.. Think its something like £1970
So how much will a base M sport 40d be then?
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So how much will a base M sport 40d be then?
You can check the Diesel prices for M Sport base model differences in the Luxembourg configurator. The price increase over 30d is quite significant (see attachment).
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So how much will a base M sport 40d be then?
You can check the Diesel prices for M Sport base model differences in the Luxembourg configurator. The price increase over 30d is quite significant (see attachment).
That's exactly why I'm surprised that the difference is only £2000.

The base M Sport 30d in the UK is £61,140 and the 50d is £72,085.

Whilst the 50d is an M lite model, it does loose one expensive option which is the air suspension (iirc). I imagine the 40d would have this so would expect the price to be slap bang in the middle at around £66,500. I'd be very surprised if it was only £2k more as it would make the 30d redundant and despite everything that will remain the best selling model in our market
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So how much will a base M sport 40d be then?
About £65k OTR. That’s assuming you buy after April and pay higher first year VED.
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So very jealous that we won't see these in North America.
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So how much will a base M sport 40d be then?
You can check the Diesel prices for M Sport base model differences in the Luxembourg configurator. The price increase over 30d is quite significant (see attachment).
That's exactly why I'm surprised that the difference is only £2000.

The base M Sport 30d in the UK is £61,140 and the 50d is £72,085.

Whilst the 50d is an M lite model, it does loose one expensive option which is the air suspension (iirc). I imagine the 40d would have this so would expect the price to be slap bang in the middle at around £66,500. I'd be very surprised if it was only £2k more as it would make the 30d redundant and despite everything that will remain the best selling model in our market
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You can spec M50d or M50i with 2 axel air suspension....
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About £65k OTR. That’s assuming you buy after April and pay higher first year VED.
Base will be higher than that. I'm sorry there's no chance it will only be a £2k difference. Dealer is 2nd guessing it, there's no official pricing as of yet and as I said, £63k base for a 40d would mean 30d would not sell at all. It would be £46 a month difference in real life in terms of payments
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Base will be higher than that. I'm sorry there's no chance it will only be a £2k difference. Dealer is 2nd guessing it, there's no official pricing as of yet and as I said, £63k base for a 40d would mean 30d would not sell at all. It would be £46 a month difference in real life in terms of payments
Let’s see had price and monthly payments from 3 dealers now and all consistent In terms of start point. This may point to the future of the 30d as it is today.
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Base will be higher than that. I'm sorry there's no chance it will only be a £2k difference. Dealer is 2nd guessing it, there's no official pricing as of yet and as I said, £63k base for a 40d would mean 30d would not sell at all. It would be £46 a month difference in real life in terms of payments
Let’s see had price and monthly payments from 3 dealers now and all consistent In terms of start point. This may point to the future of the 30d as it is today.
Point to future of 30d? What does that mean?
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Hard to justify the 30d if the 40d has 100 BHPs more, much less fuel consumption, and just a 'token' (given the price of the vehicule) price increase.

Given the spec, I know very well which car I would buy!

I *knew* my next car (after this one) would be at least mild-hybrid, but it came quite a bit quicker than I expected.
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Is a mild hybrid a hybrid car? Like 40DE?
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Hard to justify the 30d if the 40d has 100 BHPs more, much less fuel consumption, and just a 'token' (given the price of the vehicule) price increase.

Given the spec, I know very well which car I would buy!

I *knew* my next car (after this one) would be at least mild-hybrid, but it came quite a bit quicker than I expected.
I agree.

I think the moral of the story is to wait a year or two after a new series comes out, as BMW seem to "drip-feed" the release of their models and engines. They come out with what they think will be volume models, then the niche versions (and engines) later.

The dealer told me back in late 2018/early 2019 that there wouldn't be a 40d (equivalent to the F15), as the 40i satisfied that middle ground high performance category, but seems he was full of BS.

Like you, my next car will be Electric or at a Hybrid/Electric. I'm looking at keeping my 30d for around 10 years, and hopefully Hydrogen fuel-cell technology will have matured by then too. BMW are supposed to be big in that technology.
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Hard to justify the 30d if the 40d has 100 BHPs more, much less fuel consumption, and just a 'token' (given the price of the vehicule) price increase.

Given the spec, I know very well which car I would buy!

I *knew* my next car (after this one) would be at least mild-hybrid, but it came quite a bit quicker than I expected.
It has 65bhp more, not hundreds. The torque number is more important anyway.

But again, considering some EU markets have announced pricing for the 40d and its around €8k more, I just don't see how the price difference in the uk will be less than a third of that.

Like I said, £6k more sounds about right and in line with other BMW engine jumps. Plus at that price it creates a market for all 3 diesel models.
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Is a mild hybrid a hybrid car? Like 40DE?
Not exactly, a mild hybrid has a smaller electric motor which can only assist the in car engine but not move the vehicle by itself. I believe it is usually also used as starter motor.

Basically, delivers something like 10HP and allows you to coast with the in car engine off, and assists when you take off to overcome the intertia of the vehicle in a smoother way.

I guess a real hybrid (plug-in or otherwise) has an electric motor capable of moving the vehicle independently for at least some distance.
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Is a mild hybrid a hybrid car? Like 40DE?
Not exactly, a mild hybrid has a smaller electric motor which can only assist the in car engine but not move the vehicle by itself. I believe it is usually also used as starter motor.

Basically, delivers something like 10HP and allows you to coast with the in car engine off, and assists when you take off to overcome the intertia of the vehicle in a smoother way.

I guess a real hybrid (plug-in or otherwise) has an electric motor capable of moving the vehicle independently for at least some distance.
Not, it is classed as a mild hybrid. See below
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