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      12-23-2019, 08:40 PM   #1299
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Nov and Dec rates usually best of the year. Nothing is set in stone but historically speaking, Jan rates are not favorable. You can lock rates for 60 days. On delivery month, you can choose that monthly rate if it's better.
I just re-locked Dec rate from November (order month) because my delivery is expected in Feb.
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      12-28-2019, 04:10 PM   #1300
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2020 custom build pricing

Hey all,
I've gotten too particular on what I want and headed down the path of a custom order. I realize the best deals right now are in-stock vehicles, and assuming that's where folks are getting the 10%+ off MSRP. For custom order I had a local dealer quote 6% off MSRP plus -2750 rebate which nets 9.5% off MSRP. I was also told 6-7% off MSRP is right at invoice price (true or not?)

Is 9.5% off MSRP (all in incl. rebates) that an "ok" deal for custom order? What are y'all seeing around this time of year?

FWIW, doesn't appear SAs are as motivated on individualized orders since delivery won't be taken until 2020. I get that part...
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      12-28-2019, 04:24 PM   #1301
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Hey all,
I've gotten too particular on what I want and headed down the path of a custom order. I realize the best deals right now are in-stock vehicles, and assuming that's where folks are getting the 10%+ off MSRP. For custom order I had a local dealer quote 6% off MSRP plus -2750 rebate which nets 9.5% off MSRP. I was also told 6-7% off MSRP is right at invoice price (true or not?)

Is 9.5% off MSRP (all in incl. rebates) that an "ok" deal for custom order? What are y'all seeing around this time of year?

FWIW, doesn't appear SAs are as motivated on individualized orders since delivery won't be taken until 2020. I get that part...
Discounts before incentives are dependent on regions. I would not include the incentives in calculating your discount since you don’t need to negotiate with your dealer to get those.

Here in the DC area, pre-incentive discounts on 2020 custom orders are in the 9-11% range. I got 11.3% off a custom 2020 order + $2,500 in incentives. I’m not familiar with discounts in TX but in the very least, I would shop around (via email) several dealers in the area to try to get a higher discount since I think 6% is a little low...perhaps try starting with Texas COE winners (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/a...language=en_US) since those are high volume dealers.

If you are doing PCD, you could buy from any dealer in the country and would be able to get a higher discount than 6%.

Good luck!
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      12-28-2019, 08:06 PM   #1302
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Discounts before incentives are dependent on regions. I would not include the incentives in calculating your discount since you don’t need to negotiate with your dealer to get those.

Here in the DC area, pre-incentive discounts on 2020 custom orders are in the 9-11% range. I got 11.3% off a custom 2020 order + $2,500 in incentives. I’m not familiar with discounts in TX but in the very least, I would shop around (via email) several dealers in the area to try to get a higher discount since I think 6% is a little low...perhaps try starting with Texas COE winners (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/a...language=en_US) since those are high volume dealers.

If you are doing PCD, you could buy from any dealer in the country and would be able to get a higher discount than 6%.

Good luck!
Hey Wxnatscaps, I am also in the DC region about to get a same one as yours. Which dealership did you work with on your custom order? I am getting (I think) about the same discount rate you're getting but from existing inventory not a custom order. This makes me think I should just order custom if it can be the same discount. Did you work with the one in SS? or Alexandria? Can you share the breakdown?

Thanks!
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      12-28-2019, 08:18 PM   #1303
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I’m not familiar with discounts in TX but in the very least, I would shop around (via email) several dealers in the area to try to get a higher discount since I think 6% is a little low...perhaps try starting with Texas COE winners (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/a...language=en_US) since those are high volume dealers.
Thanks! Ironically, I was working with #6 on that list. Might hit up San Antonio as it appears they're higher volume also. Thanks!
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      12-28-2019, 09:54 PM   #1304
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Hey Wxnatscaps, I am also in the DC region about to get a same one as yours. Which dealership did you work with on your custom order? I am getting (I think) about the same discount rate you're getting but from existing inventory not a custom order. This makes me think I should just order custom if it can be the same discount. Did you work with the one in SS? or Alexandria? Can you share the breakdown?

Thanks!
I am also in the DMV area and having purchased multiple BMW's in the last 3 years, my experience has been that Passport and surprisingly Midlothian BMW in Richmond have always been the most aggressive. I am about to start my search for either a X3M or X5/X5M soon so time will tell if they still are the most aggressive!
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      12-30-2019, 08:24 AM   #1305
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I special ordered an M50 in December...10.8% off msrp before incentives. I shopped around and found a dealer out of state and will do PCD delivery at BMW's plant in SC.
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      12-30-2019, 09:01 AM   #1306
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I am also in the DMV area and having purchased multiple BMW's in the last 3 years, my experience has been that Passport and surprisingly Midlothian BMW in Richmond have always been the most aggressive. I am about to start my search for either a X3M or X5/X5M soon so time will tell if they still are the most aggressive!
Hey Suprajjang, really appreciate that info! Will check out Midlothian. Right now I am getting a 14.1% including the rebates on a custom build for a Late Jan/Early Feb Delivery (financing not leasing so got the APR credit 2000, conquest 750 on the rebate side since I drive an Audi atm). Everything is pretty much to what Wxnatscaps shared above and also PM me (THANKS A LOT!) Looking to see what I end up with!
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      12-30-2019, 09:24 AM   #1307
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Hey Suprajjang, really appreciate that info! Will check out Midlothian. Right now I am getting a 14.1% including the rebates on a custom build for a Late Jan/Early Feb Delivery (financing not leasing so got the APR credit 2000, conquest 750 on the rebate side since I drive an Audi atm). Everything is pretty much to what Wxnatscaps shared above and also PM me (THANKS A LOT!) Looking to see what I end up with!
Glad it was helpful. One thing to confirm is whether they have any allocations left when you place the order...depending on the dealer, they probably are out of allocations right now but will get more the first week of January. I placed my order on 12/10 and unfortunately my dealer was out of allocations - but I should get a production number the first week of January.

I can’t remember if I put this in the PM but something to keep in mind is the doc fees in VA are generally $300-$400 higher than the $399 that MD charges...so if you get a better offer from Midlothian (before TTL), take that into account.

Good luck.
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      12-30-2019, 10:55 AM   #1308
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I've reached out to several other dealers including out of state (ones I was already communicating with when I thought I was down the path of retired courtesy vehicle) and so far no one will do more than 6-7% off msrp on custom order before incentives. Will keep looking, but assume it's SAs all focused on moving existing inventory thru 12/31 and might change their stance a bit as we get into Jan...

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      12-30-2019, 11:30 AM   #1309
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Glad it was helpful. One thing to confirm is whether they have any allocations left when you place the order...depending on the dealer, they probably are out of allocations right now but will get more the first week of January. I placed my order on 12/10 and unfortunately my dealer was out of allocations - but I should get a production number the first week of January.

I can’t remember if I put this in the PM but something to keep in mind is the doc fees in VA are generally $300-$400 higher than the $399 that MD charges...so if you get a better offer from Midlothian (before TTL), take that into account.

Good luck.
The dealer just sent me a message he made an error and not 14.2% but 12.3% for the new build-- Sazeractx i wonder if we could order together and get 14.2% together.
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      12-30-2019, 11:41 AM   #1310
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The dealer just sent me a message he made an error and not 14.2% but 12.3% for the new build-- Sazeractx i wonder if we could order together and get 14.2% together.
As I and MANY others have stated repeatedly, don't include incentives in your % off... everyone is different (you could have college grad, military where most of us don't, or you could be coming from Audi so you get conquest and I have loyalty).

We really can't evaluate anyone's deal without knowing the whole scene.
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      12-30-2019, 11:49 AM   #1311
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The dealer just sent me a message he made an error and not 14.2% but 12.3% for the new build-- Sazeractx i wonder if we could order together and get 14.2% together.
I'd be game for that. To account for shipping to TX I'll need about 2% extra so this works out since I'd be thrilled with 12% plus incentives.

edit: See what I did there @karateboi87?
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      12-30-2019, 02:13 PM   #1312
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I'd be game for that. To account for shipping to TX I'll need about 2% extra so this works out since I'd be thrilled with 12% plus incentives.

edit: See what I did there @karateboi87?
I don't really see what you did there other than breaking down it into 12% before incentives, which is what I was asking for.

I think my previous stated enough reasoning for why we need to talk about numbers before incentives.

That's really great deal, congratulations!
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      12-30-2019, 03:47 PM   #1313
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Hello all,
Second time post. I think I posted this question in the wrong forum. I have read through all of your posts and I am trying to find a dealer that will come even close to what has been posted here. I might have to go out of state and have it delivered. I am currently getting %7 of MSRP before incentives.
Looking to buy before the end of year.
Thank you in advance!
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      12-30-2019, 03:54 PM   #1314
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Hello all,
Second time post. I think I posted this question in the wrong forum. I have read through all of your posts and I am trying to find a dealer that will come even close to what has been posted here. I might have to go out of state and have it delivered. I am currently getting %7 of MSRP before incentives.
Looking to buy before the end of year.
Thank you in advance!
Looks like you are local. I couldn't pm you bc you are new.

Best I found locally as 9% off.

I have a trade and the tax law is Changing so I focused on buying off the lot.

Pm me for details about the store .
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      12-30-2019, 03:55 PM   #1315
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Looks like you are local. I couldn't pm you bc you are new.

Best I found locally as 9% off.

I have a trade and the tax law is Changing so I focused on buying off the lot.

Pm me for details about the store .
I can concur that best I found in Chicago area was 9% off also. And yep the trade-in law is changing for IL Jan 1st so better hurry if you have a trade in.
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I think I have to wait an hour before I can get PM's. Can we post an email in here?
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I think I have to wait an hour before I can get PM's. Can we post an email in here?
Yea I don't remember if it is a number of posts too.
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      12-30-2019, 05:44 PM   #1318
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Update to all-- thanks for the help Wxnatscaps and suprajjang. How is this deal sound to everyone, about to sign paper work and put down deposit.

I started the whole process looking for 20% off of a 2000 mi loaner or 15% discount before 2750 rebates for a new 2020. One dealer with written email said yes for a day and that day passed they never agreed to it anymore after.

I was about to go pick up from the existing inventory of a 2020 with 15.5% off a MSRP of 70,595 (roughly 11.8% before incentives or so doing it mentally as my rebates are 2750 -- conquest + APR finance). No OLE code or anything else to use, nor loyalty.

Got a call from a dealer GSM in the area offering 15.1% off MSRP of for a custom order -- (comes to about 11.3% before incentives ~ to Wxnatscaps).

MSRP 71831 including destination fee
Sale price 60984.59
MD title/tag fee 335
dealer processing fee 299
Tax 3659.07

Total 65277.59

Finance term 2.99% at 60 months
12k down payment
financed amount 53277.59

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Are there anything else i should be asking for?
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      12-30-2019, 06:25 PM   #1319
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Update to all-- thanks for the help Wxnatscaps and suprajjang. How is this deal sound to everyone, about to sign paper work and put down deposit.

I started the whole process looking for 20% off of a 2000 mi loaner or 15% discount before 2750 rebates for a new 2020. One dealer with written email said yes for a day and that day passed they never agreed to it anymore after.

I was about to go pick up from the existing inventory of a 2020 with 15.5% off a MSRP of 70,595 (roughly 11.8% before incentives or so doing it mentally as my rebates are 2750 -- conquest + APR finance). No OLE code or anything else to use, nor loyalty.

Got a call from a dealer GSM in the area offering 15.1% off MSRP of for a custom order -- (comes to about 11.3% before incentives ~ to Wxnatscaps).

MSRP 71831 including destination fee
Sale price 60984.59
MD title/tag fee 335
dealer processing fee 299
Tax 3659.07

Total 65277.59

Finance term 2.99% at 60 months
12k down payment
financed amount 53277.59

Thoughts about the deal?
Are there anything else i should be asking for?
You are getting a good discount from MSRP and nothing sticks out as a red flag. Congrats.
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      12-30-2019, 06:52 PM   #1320
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Update to all-- thanks for the help Wxnatscaps and suprajjang. How is this deal sound to everyone, about to sign paper work and put down deposit.

I started the whole process looking for 20% off of a 2000 mi loaner or 15% discount before 2750 rebates for a new 2020. One dealer with written email said yes for a day and that day passed they never agreed to it anymore after.

I was about to go pick up from the existing inventory of a 2020 with 15.5% off a MSRP of 70,595 (roughly 11.8% before incentives or so doing it mentally as my rebates are 2750 -- conquest + APR finance). No OLE code or anything else to use, nor loyalty.

Got a call from a dealer GSM in the area offering 15.1% off MSRP of for a custom order -- (comes to about 11.3% before incentives ~ to Wxnatscaps).

MSRP 71831 including destination fee
Sale price 60984.59
MD title/tag fee 335
dealer processing fee 299
Tax 3659.07

Total 65277.59

Finance term 2.99% at 60 months
12k down payment
financed amount 53277.59

Thoughts about the deal?
Are there anything else i should be asking for?
Nope you did the best. I have the same dealer and I only negotiated to 10.93% only.
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