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Originally Posted by bono

I do not think that the wheel size matters. The wheel should fit into the arch even if the rear suspension rides on the stoppers.

Hmm. I really have no idea what the hack is going on with this payload. Even X3 has 915lbs payload? WTH bmw?


Anyways checked the yellow sticker on driver side. It must be generic.
X5 40i with and without air suspension both have 849lbs and payload.

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This is german spec for G05 X5


Curb weight EG (xDrive) 2135
Permitted total weight (xDrive) kg 2800
Payload (xDrive) kg 765
Load with 3rd row of seats (xDrive) kg 895
Permissible unbraked trailer load (xDrive) 2 kg 750
Supporting load kg 140
Permissible braked trailer load up to max.
12% slope / max. 8% incline (xDrive) 2 kg 3500

[bono]

Almost 2,000 lbs payload with 3rd row... nice, one ton truck territory

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Originally Posted by bono

Almost 2,000 lbs payload with 3rd row... nice, one ton truck territory

I guess increased payload is from air suspension? (All configurators make you choose 2 axel air suspension by choosing 3rd row seat) - I have no idea how air suspension increases payload.


Anyways, I am pretty sure German X5 and US X5 are same cars made in same US factory. I wonder why BMW published such a conservative figure for payload.

[bono]

Air suspension may increase payload. Air suspension is adjustable and more robust that regular coil springs. Payload on the passenger cars is usually limited by the suspension which is tuned for comfort.

Can you share link to EUR spec G05?

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Originally Posted by bono

Air suspension may increase payload. Air suspension is adjustable and more robust that regular coil springs. Payload on the passenger cars is usually limited by the suspension which is tuned for comfort.

Can you share link to EUR spec G05?

https://www.bmw.de/content/dam/bmw/m...e_01%20(2).pdf


It's in german though.

[bono]

Ich spreche Deutch ein bisschen It is a good reference document. Thank you for this!

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Originally Posted by bono

Ich spreche Deutch ein bisschen It is a good reference document. Thank you for this!

No prob! Let me know if you have any updates on US payload figure!

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I asked a BMW chassis engineer via LinkedIn and got the following reply:

The official technical specification of “Curb Weight” is using a completely base version of that model, i.e. all standard equipment only, and NO options specified (+full tank of gas).

The GVWR is the technical specification for the total amount of loading the vehicle can handle, which includes any factory options. Since each vehicle is optioned completely differently, the technical specification provided for Payload Capacity therefore assumes a “fully loaded” vehicle, i.e. every possible option box ticked. This can be upwards of 550+ lbs (not an exact number), and therefore results in the perceived lower payload capacity. This is essentially the most conservative estimate, as it really depends on each vehicle.

So, in summary, if you do wish to purchase a G05 X5 and have the most available payload capacity, you would therefore want to select a base model with as few options as possible. I know it may be more complicated, but perhaps the dealer has a vehicle scale and could weigh a few differently optioned vehicles for you (with a full tank of gas), so you knew the true payload capacity for each.

And as a side-note, while air suspension might add some weight to the vehicle itself, it also will help with self-leveling when you do have a full payload, and should improve the overall handling in those situations.

It sounds like BMW is using the worst-case scenario in terms of optional equipment for the payload sticker, similar to what they did with the F15. GVWR is the real capacity rating of the vehicle and the only way to figure your vehicle's payload capacity is to visit a vehicle scale.

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I bought a 2019 X5 50i with a lot of options (ZMP, ZDY, ZDH, etc.) that probably add a good bit to it's curb weight. Before purchasing I visited a scale and calculated the actual payload: 1,220 pounds. The actual curb weight with options was 5,240 pounds and the GVWR is 6,460 pounds.

[RJJJ]

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/a...language=en_US

You are right, the payload is only 849lbs according bmw group press when g05 is released. But I don't get it, the curb weight is 4813 lb, the gross vehicle weight is 6162, so the difference is around 1300 lb. why the pay load only 849 lb?

[RJJJ]

Just checked my G06 M50i, it says 'the combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 420kg or 925 lbs'. So sad

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Your payload capacity is likely higher - visit a scale to determine your actual curb weight, which will be the basis for your payroll capacity. The Ford dealership I bought mine from said that yellow stickers are often underrated on the assumption that people will exceed them. The GVWR is what you need to respect, in my opinion.