[cobramite]

Originally Posted by Boardmember

Cobramite - am I the only one that can smell the interior of those pics you posted?

OMG, that is hillarious.
I think you are refering to how these cars smell when you check them out at car shows/cruises. Absolutely unmistakable smell. Supposed to be caused by some type of mold or whatever than gets into the underside of seats, carpeting, etc. You can sometimes smell it 10 feet away.

[Boardmember]

Of course. My grandfather and dad had sone classics. When I smell that, good memories.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by Boardmember

Of course. My grandfather and dad had sone classics. When I smell that, good memories.

Oh yeah, I get that.

[sarpal123]

Yesterday I had an aberration and visited my local JLR franchise where I played around with the new PHEV Range Rover Sport. At a £30k premium for a similar spec to the 50e it would need to be special (IMHO it isn't).
However, the haptic feedback on the control screen was revelatory and now I have haptic envy - this is my contribution the 'everything that's wrong...'

[Heavyd]

Originally Posted by sarpal123

Yesterday I had an aberration and visited my local JLR franchise where I played around with the new PHEV Range Rover Sport. At a £30k premium for a similar spec to the 50e it would need to be special (IMHO it isn't).
However, the haptic feedback on the control screen was revelatory and now I have haptic envy - this is my contribution the 'everything that's wrong...'

Yes haptic feedback would be nice!

[jad03060]

FWIW, since pretty much all buttons in a BMW are mounted on circuit boards, and feed their input into a chip that then sends a serial message to the computer...eliminating buttons would not decrease the number or wires in a harness by much, if any (it's not a one-for-one relationship)...switching to a touchscreen might eliminate a circuit board, though. Big screens are not inexpensive, so getting rid of a button panel may not save much, if any...

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by cococarli

If you are older or not very tech savy and used to "dummy proof everything" then you will have an issue with ANY NEW CAR because the future is NO BUTTONS lol SO instead of complaining because you don't have it in you to learn how to use the car correctly or learn how to navigate it - I highly suggest staying with your older X5 models with a million buttons and keep your complaints to yourself. I don't mean that in a mean way, but don't hate on a new car because you don't know how to use it. The new X5 is FREAKING AWESOMEEEEEEEEE and I think everyone should get it!!! LOLOL

So for starters I do like the wife's new LCI 40i vs her old 2017 and the shocker is the tech. Same build quality, upgraded engine (w/mild hybrid to handle the ASS) etc. The tech though aka safety features, etc. puts it on par with my 2020 M850i w/ iD7 including maps in the HUD, etc. Sure it has DAP+ up to 80MPH (if memory serves) vs the iD7 only kicks in DAP+ in stop/go traffic under 40MPH.

That said I'm old (57) but I've spent 30-years in technology so it took me all of a hour tops to dial-in her profile with what she wanted plus the additional features with iD8. However, 10+ years of my career included UX (user experience) design in both the digital world along with physical products. That's where iD7 vs iD8 abysmally fails. Do I like hard buttons? Absolutely as they are a single press to get the desired outcome. Can I live without them? Absolutely but the iD8 and iD8.5 UI change is still lackluster from a UX point of view.

Steve Jobs was infamous in his opinion on UX customer input panels, etc. It made sense as some ground breaking products had no equivalent within the market so as he stated the consumer doesn't know what they want. That's not the case with touch screen anything as it's a forgone conclusion in today's consumer world. However, we're not talking about navigating a UX touchscreen in the comfort of one's home or workplace but rather driving a 2 ton vehicle down the road. The laws of physics with that amount of mass in motion and the driver doing multiple actions on a touch screen UI to the equivalent of a single button push and focus back on driving is a recipe for disaster.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by cococarli

Computer coding and knowing how to operate a dashboard on a car are little different lol ....I am not a coder nor need that skill in my everyday life. I apologize if you were offended by my comment.

Not offended but I've lived both worlds and still do today. The need to code while in ones everyday life is obviously off the table. But UX matters especially when operating a 2 ton vehicle down the road.

Statistics state outside of DUI, speeding and running a red light the top contender for accidents is distractive driving. Text messaging as already called out a huge factor in that. Throw in a multiple step UI to make a simple change with the attention off the road and it too likely becomes a factor.

[cobramite]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

Not offended but I've lived both worlds and still do today. The need to code while in ones everyday life is obviously off the table. But UX matters especially when operating a 2 ton vehicle down the road.

Statistics state outside of DUI, speeding and running a red light the top contender for accidents is distractive driving. Text messaging as already called out a huge factor in that. Throw in a multiple step UI to make a simple change with the attention off the road and it too likely becomes a factor.

Your points are very well taken and I follow you exactly.
Personally I find no need to tap around on the screen for anything. My climate is set to 72* on automatic mode in SYNC. Sport/Comfort/Eco are buttons on the console. I could very well be missing something or other features.
The LCD screen can be addressed if needed at the next red light or stop sign.

[jad03060]

I rarely change things around after starting a drive. I might attempt a search using the nav, but much of that can be accomplished using voice commands and that utility also applies to most other mundane things like changing the temperature, or engaging the seat heaters and many other things.

[cobramite]

^^^^This.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

Not offended but I've lived both worlds and still do today. The need to code while in ones everyday life is obviously off the table. But UX matters especially when operating a 2 ton vehicle down the road.

Agreed and that's how I set up things for my wife as even without the more easily accessible buttons for climate control temperature on the "home" screen at all times it's not like you need them while driving. But here's a head scratcher from another thread on an iD8.5 in which the OP has been frustrated with having to accept the safety message, go into climate control and set his heated seats steering wheel before every drive. Yep, not a life threatening situation as done before he drives away.

Why the head scratcher? Even with hard buttons on the iD7 in my M850i I've never touched them for turning on the heated seats, steering wheel, console and door rest nor the cooling ventilation for the seats in hot weather. The reason being is on iD7 there is a climate control app that one can configure to automatically do what you want based on temperature ranges (low - heat and hot - cooling). Originally I thought BMW just buried this in either the seat app or the climate controls settings. Nope absolutely non-existent.

For the record given my wife drives in Eco Pro (a button now vs pulling backwards on the drive mode lever in the 2017) the other head scratcher is by default in Eco (or ECO Pro) the HUD is consumed by a pulsating blue chrystal/diamond. When she told me that the map navigation was not showing up in the HUD after I told her it would as a benefit of the new tech vs her iD6 which was limited to turns only in the HUD I was perplexed.

Yep, turns out one needs to defeat the driving mode displayed in the HUD as otherwise the Eco modes give you a useless chrystal/diamond. I had tested in comfort after the initial configuration so I was clueless to what she was saying until I took the 40i on a quick drive with NAV engaged. 5 minutes or less to stop the stupidity of BMWs UX designers that thought it was a good idea. 👍

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by jad03060

I rarely change things around after starting a drive. I might attempt a search using the nav, but much of that can be accomplished using voice commands and that utility also applies to most other mundane things like changing the temperature, or engaging the seat heaters and many other things.

Good to know as per my last post another OP on a thread wasn't aware of this. I hadn't tried it either as no need with the iD7 climate control app. One of my favorite assist voice commands is play X music album or even a track and it pulls it up flawlessly off the 2TB FLAC files on a SSD in my console.

For NAV I always use the app and send it to the car. I do have the finger "fist pump" gesture control though set to navigate home for a quick easy action to help navigate me home from an unfamiliar part of town. Primarily to the major highways or roads of familiarity and then turn off the NAV. I was perplexed it wasn't a readily available gesture setting in iD8 but figured out how to do so in the 40i as well.

[krypttic]

Originally Posted by tooloud10

I wanted to but it was far easier to find a sub-MSRP deal on an X5 than on a GV80, and if you still think that's a joke then you don't understand the problem.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...n-test-review/

https://www.caranddriver.com/ranking...uxury/mid-size

https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...-release-date/

I seriously considered a GV80, but there was no PHEV option which I wanted. If I was considering an X5 40i instead of a 50e, I might have gone with the Genesis.

[taek]

Not really a coupe SUV person but the GV80 looks nice.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by taek

Not really a coupe SUV person but the GV80 looks nice.

That is not an actual vehicle, it is a concept photo. The GV80 is a standard SUV.

[LDT]

Originally Posted by krypttic

I seriously considered a GV80, but there was no PHEV option which I wanted. If I was considering an X5 40i instead of a 50e, I might have gone with the Genesis.

I test drove a fully loaded GV80 twice and almost pulled the trigger. Very nicely appointed SUV. In the end I wanted a V8 before they become obsolete and I’m very pleased with my M60i. I spend my days enjoying all of its greatness and accept the very few minor annoyances which come with any vehicle.

[tooloud10]

Originally Posted by krypttic

I seriously considered a GV80, but there was no PHEV option which I wanted. If I was considering an X5 40i instead of a 50e, I might have gone with the Genesis.

Agreed, the hybrid was the major deciding factor even though I kinda liked the Genesis more than the X5.

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

That is not an actual vehicle, it is a concept photo. The GV80 is a standard SUV.

It’s a thing.

https://www.genesis.com/worldwide/en...ighlights.html

[mlurker]

Originally Posted by cellarrat

https://slate.com/business/2023/04/c...n-hyundai.html

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/auto...e-for-drivers/

https://futurism.com/the-byte/car-to...s-buttons-back

https://www.stablevehiclecontracts.c...ysical-buttons

https://ultrasensesys.com/automakers...touch-screens/

https://www.fastcompany.com/90780466...and-knobs-back

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/automak...hat-they-want/

But buTtOnS aRe sO arcHaIc

Meanwhile BMW with buttonless trend

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by tooloud10

It’s a thing.

Perhaps it has been introduced in Korea but it is a concept/NA in the US.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by JerZBMerLife

As far as the stereo I agree with you 1000%. I had a 2020 X5 with HK that I thought sucked too, but the 2024 version is noticeably worse. I’m finally taking steps to get aftermarket system put in.

Read this and bet you will be happy with the outcome

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=30498183

Key being step #1 defeat Logic7 as it is garbage just like all HKs in the past. Step #2 is set the bass and treble flat then match the EQ pic. I've been errant on updating the thread with the specific EQ "clicks" per frequency band but hey life and work gets in the way. 👍

[SwissBeemer]

Originally Posted by SwissBeemer

I do agree though that the steering could be a tad firmer.

Followup: Set the steering for "Electric Individual" to "Sport" and it's better now. Still rather synthetic compared to my 7-series but better.