[DaveDBD]

Having a 50e, I just noticed that the headlights don’t swivel with steering wheel turns. Another cheapening by BMW.

So what is Premium Pkg Full LED vs standard LED difference? Why is it worth ordering?

[TurtleBoy]

I think the main difference, haven't seen the testing on either so can't comment on throw/illumination, is that the full LED's can be coded (or native where supported) to be adaptive (anti-dazzle) and also include cornering lights.

[mojoJJ]

Yes. In full LED lights option, the cornering lights are separate lights. If you look closely, the light closest to the hood (at an angle) is the cornering light, it only turns on when you’re turning your car at a sharp angle.

It’s kinda cheap for BMW not to put swiveling lights. My Mazda CX5 had it and it was less than half the price.

[DaveDBD]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I think the main difference, haven't seen the testing on either so can't comment on throw/illumination, is that the full LED's can be coded (or native where supported) to be adaptive (anti-dazzle) and also include cornering lights.

They are not adaptive from the factory.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by DaveDBD

They are not adaptive from the factory.

Not in the USA, they need to be coded even though Adaptive Beams were made legal last year.

[DaveDBD]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Not in the USA, they need to be coded even though Adaptive Beams were made legal last year.

Can a dealership code them?

If not how?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by DaveDBD

Can a dealership code them?

If not how?

Never mind, I forgot we were discussing the LCI 552's. Coding is not possible on them. To answer the question for other models though, dealers won't do the coding. You either need to use something like Esys or Bimmerutility. A lot of folks just opt to get someone to do the coding for them, r33_RGSport has a lot of satisfied customers.

[mojoJJ]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Never mind, I forgot we were discussing the LCI 552's. Coding is not possible on them. To answer the question for other models though, dealers won't do the coding. You either need to use something like Esys or Bimmerutility. A lot of folks just opt to get someone to do the coding for them, r33_RGSport has a lot of satisfied customers.

But if the anti-dazzle is now legal in the US (that’s what I got from your response above), and the LCIs have the hardware, won’t the dealer be able to “enable” that using their tools?

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by mojoJJ

But if the anti-dazzle is now legal in the US (that’s what I got from your response above), and the LCIs have the hardware, won’t the dealer be able to “enable” that using their tools?

No they will not. BMW has not certified that any of their headlights meet the requirements and it may be years until they do so. They have been legal in Canada for quite a few years and they use the ECE specs and BMW still decodes anti-dazzle for them also.

[DaveDBD]

In USA BMW considers anti dazzle as auto hi low beams. Thus why it is listed as standard.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by DaveDBD

In USA BMW considers anti dazzle as auto hi low beams. Thus why it is listed as standard.

Two different functions/definitions. Anti-dazzle are adaptive beams so the high beams stay on and tunnel around other vehicles. US builds get 5AP which is decoding for no-dazzle.

[DaveDBD]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

Two different functions/definitions. Anti-dazzle are adaptive beams so the high beams stay on and tunnel around other vehicles. US builds get 5AP which is decoding for no-dazzle.

Yes.

But to the average person no dazzle and anti dazzle mean the same thing.

BMW uses “no dazzle” to just confuse the technologies vs just saying auto hi beam like Cadillac did in the 1940s.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by DaveDBD

Yes.

But to the average person no dazzle and anti dazzle mean the same thing.

BMW uses “no dazzle” to just confuse the technologies vs just saying auto hi beam like Cadillac did in the 1940s.

You are confusing them. No dazzle and anti-dazzle are the same thing and means what I explained above. The auto-hi beams are a different feature and is standard.

[DaveDBD]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

You are confusing them. No dazzle and anti-dazzle are the same thing and means what I explained above. The auto-hi beams are a different feature and is standard.

For USA no dazzle is simply dumb auto hi lo beam.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by DaveDBD

For USA no dazzle is simply dumb auto hi lo beam.

I will say it one more time and hopefully you will finally get it, if you don't then you are on your on. NO, that is not correct. Auto hi-beams is a standard feature and has nothing to do with no-dazzle (anti-dazzle). No-dazzle (anti-dazzle) is a feature where the high beams stay engaged and tunnel around other vehicles. While recently approved in the US, BMW doesn't offer that feature in the US. They add 5AP (Decoding for no dazzle high-beam assistance) to the VO list of US builds to take away the no-dazzle (anti-dazzle) capabilities of the headlights. Prior to BNW using cloud secure coding, people were able to VO code the 5AP out and enable the no-dazzle (anti-dazzle) function.

[DaveDBD]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

I will say it one more time and hopefully you will finally get it, if you don't then you are on your on. NO, that is not correct. Auto hi-beams is a standard feature and has nothing to do with no-dazzle (anti-dazzle). No-dazzle (anti-dazzle) is a feature where the high beams stay engaged and tunnel around other vehicles. While recently approved in the US, BMW doesn't offer that feature in the US. They add 5AP (Decoding for no dazzle high-beam assistance) to the VO list of US builds to take away the no-dazzle (anti-dazzle) capabilities of the headlights. Prior to BNW using cloud secure coding, people were able to VO code the 5AP out and enable the no-dazzle (anti-dazzle) function.

And so in the USA BMW’s no dazzle is dumbed down to auto hi beams just as you say.

Thanks for confirming.

[Go FasTA]

Originally Posted by DaveDBD

And so in the USA BMW’s no dazzle is dumbed down to auto hi beams just as you say.

Thanks for confirming.

Not sure if you’re confused or just contrarian by nature, but you should listen to TurtleBoy more. BMW does not offer any form of “no dazzle” or “anti-dazzle” in the US. All US spec builds have the feature disabled. Auto hi beam is a separate feature altogether and is not a replacement for “no dazzle” nor is it presented as a dumbed down version. Blame US politicians for the state of things if you’re looking to place blame somewhere.

[DaveDBD]

Its just sarcasm.

[CeEl]

Originally Posted by Go FasTA

Not sure if you’re confused or just contrarian by nature, but you should listen to TurtleBoy more. BMW does not offer any form of “no dazzle” or “anti-dazzle” in the US. All US spec builds have the feature disabled. Auto hi beam is a separate feature altogether and is not a replacement for “no dazzle” nor is it presented as a dumbed down version. Blame US politicians for the state of things if you’re looking to place blame somewhere.

I think he is just joking - auto headlights being a ‘poor man’s anti dazzle’ feature.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by CeEl

I think he is just joking - auto headlights being a ‘poor man’s anti dazzle’ feature.

Not likely, he usually has no clue as to what he is talking about but likes to argue. A poor man's troll.