[kevinm03]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Sad tale of how an Alfa 4C with carbon fibre chassis crashed on the 'Ring.

Sad to see such a beautiful car getting written off, but super common.

He obviously had little to no track experience (his lines, driving with ESP on). He was pushing on his first lap He went into the corner too fast, lifted off and got lift-off oversteer.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by kevinm03

Sad to see such a beautiful car getting written off, but super common.

He obviously had little to no track experience (his lines, driving with ESP on). He was pushing on his first lap He went into the corner too fast, lifted off and got lift-off oversteer.

As you say an inexperienced punter who foolishly went to the 'Ring aiming to sell the car after (why did he buy it in the first place) without even taking any form of track performance courses and with a pocket rocket like that you need lightning quick steering reaction corrections.

[fs1977]

Inexperienced is not necessarily the problem, it's overconfidence which leads to overdriving. That it's a mid engined car probably doesn't help.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Sad tale of how an Alfa 4C with carbon fibre chassis crashed on the 'Ring.

The Nürburgring is a treacherous track. No PlayStation playground.

The 4C driver racing it clearly unprepared for the first time ever with the express attitude "I wanted to show off a little", was a red flag. The steering wheel hand positioning of the 4C driver was also a red flag (didn't know the importance of the 9 and 3 o'clock positioning). Almost losing control at Kleines Karussell (Schwalbenschwanz) was a humbling warning he failed to heed.

Of course easy for all of us to point this out from our comfortable seats. We all can crash. But overconfidence ("I wanted to show off a little") on a treacherous race track was a big part of the equation here.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The Nürburgring is a treacherous track. No PlayStation playground.

The 4C driver racing it clearly unprepared for the first time ever with the express attitude "I wanted to show off a little", was a red flag. The steering wheel hand positioning of the 4C driver was also a red flag (didn't know the importance of the 9 and 3 o'clock positioning). Almost losing control at Kleines Karussell (Schwalbenschwanz) was a humbling warning he failed to heed.

Of course easy for all of us to point this out from our comfortable seats. We all can crash. But overconfidence ("I wanted to show off a little") on a treacherous race track was a big part of the equation here.

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Overconfidence for first timers on the Ring usually comes after they 'get away with something' like you mentioned on the Kleines Karussell and feeling ''if I got away with that then I can get away with anything.'' He then pushed the car to the limit and beyond which he couldn't retrieve hence the special Alfa would likely need a new carbon chassis on top of the panel damage possibly rendering it totalled.

[M5Rick]

Glad I found this one, car is all stock at 560bhp.

''The M2 that I drove earlier was more difficult to handle than this car''
M5 is fitted with P Zeros which were getting hot. With MPS4S I'd guess corner speeds would be taken quicker.

[M5Rick]

Previous series E60 M5 V10 SMG at 507bhp with a very happy owner.

With Bridgestone tyres and all stock apart from I think slightly moded exhaust.