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      09-16-2019, 10:30 AM   #45
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BMW gets their money when it is wholesaled to the dealer. The dealer's profit margin still remains slim. The deal you received on your X5 has nothing to do with this article. By the time you take delivery, BMW has already spent their share.

What's the profit margin on a bed? Pair of shoes? Gutters? Why get hung up on what BMW makes per car? I'm laughing as I think about it...it would be interesting to see the profit margins in the industry of the fortunate folks on this forum.
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Looks like Porsche is killing it big time with new 911
https://carbuzz.com/news/2020-porsch...han-we-thought
Very interesting.

I prefer the Porsche Cayman body style.

It's unfortunate they don't put the six cylinder in it any longer.
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Important to remember that the 16% profit is between the manufacturing cost to dealer invoice, not manufacturing cost to MSRP. BMW makes their money when they "sell" the car to the dealers.
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      09-16-2019, 11:00 AM   #48
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I have gotten 12% off msrp on the X5's I've bought and both are 5.0
Imagine what will happen if hundreds of us print this web page and go to a local BMW dealer to ask for 12% discount. The dealer will probably laugh at them saying this is fake news and misinformation.

Perhaps you should tell us what discounts and how you got; otherwise it's like telling people life is beautiful after winning a big lottery.
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      09-16-2019, 12:21 PM   #49
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Yet very pathetic build quality for the new x5......
You're definitely trolling.
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      09-16-2019, 01:06 PM   #50
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This is surprising and MB should feel pretty bad since a comparably equipped MB GLE costs more. I hate MB SUVs. Finally convinced my wife to unload her GLS for X7. They drive like boats and even more disconnected steering than an X5.
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I believe the huge profits The price jump between a 40 & a 50 is ridiculous . Almost $20,000. And frankly the 40 is under powered at 335hp for $62,000 base. The new Lincoln Navigator starts at $54K with 400hp/400lb.

When I bought my 650i M couple, the difference between the 6 cyl 640 was only $11,000. Greed is alive & well my friends.
You probably mean the Lincoln Aviator. Don't get me wrong, the Aviator is a nice car, but the base model is pretty bare. And the Lincoln name, while making some pretty good SUVs these days, still doesn't have the brand cachet that BMW does. You also have to take into consideration that the x40i is pretty fast. These days with torquey turbocharged engines and rampant underrating, advertised peak horsepower is fairly meaningless.

The X5 does 0-60 in 5s. That's pretty fast for an SUV. I'll bet you dollars to donuts the Lincoln can't do it any faster and will likely be a couple tenths slower.
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Well, I was actually looking at the 40i vs the M50i. That's where it's 20k.
I do realize the M50 has the M Sport pkg, brakes,ect.
If looking at the 40i compered to the 50i your paying that $14,950 more for just 110hp.
And the additional content still leaves a huge gap between the 2. The math does not make sense to me.
It's unfortunate that you can't get a non-sport V8 anymore, but consider how good the B58 is. The X5 40i is just about as fast as a BMW F30 335i. How can you consider that underpowered? I think with how powerful they've made the base engine, they figure that anyone who really wants to step up to the V8 will most likely want an M Sport model with performance bits on it. It wasn't too long ago where V8s were making in the 300hp range. And that's naturally aspirated power where you'd really have to wind the engine out.

Also, the advertised power numbers are 335hp vs 523hp. Remember the M50i uses the new V8 from the M850i. So we're talking nearly a 200hp gap here. Considering that, $15k seems like a steal. People routinely spend more money for less power.
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I believe the huge profits The price jump between a 40 & a 50 is ridiculous . Almost $20,000. And frankly the 40 is under powered at 335hp for $62,000 base. The new Lincoln Navigator starts at $54K with 400hp/400lb.

When I bought my 650i M couple, the difference between the 6 cyl 640 was only $11,000. Greed is alive & well my friends.
Do you make your purchase decisions based on how much power the manufacturer says the car has, or on actual driving experience? The X5 has been tested 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. That's pretty darn good for a "base" model, regardless of how much power BMW "says" it is making. How much quicker do you need the "base" model to be? If they said it had 400hp but was slower (like the Aviator inevitably will be), would that be better or worse?
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X5 was launched for the first time in 1999 with 4.4 liter V8 engine. It was intended to be a "no compromises" luxury SAV (to quote BMW).

One year later, 3.0 inline 6 cylinder was added.

BMW X5 is now in its fourth iteration.

In 2002 - only 2 years after the initial launch, 42K X5 were sold in the US with 55K sold in 2015.

X5 is a rare example of a vehicle designed for the right market segment from the very beginning. That's where profitability comes from.
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      09-16-2019, 02:10 PM   #55
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Delete this thread before the X5 buyers realize they're subsidizing all of our deals. 🤣
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No suprise for the 911 you probably have to pay extra to get power brake and power steering. The base radio must be am with 2 speakers. You need to add 30-40-50000$ in extra to have a car with proper equipment in relation to the MSRP. Recent bmw are going this way the option list get longer and longer bringning more and more profit.
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They got my money once again...not complaining.
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So, if I got my math right, Porsche makes an average $63,600 USD profit on every 911 they sell

That's completely bonkers
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Kinda makes you not want to buy it since you are getting taken to the cleaners the maximum
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Very interesting.

I prefer the Porsche Cayman body style.

It's unfortunate they don't put the six cylinder in it any longer.
2020 Cayman will have six cylinders.
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Very interesting.

I prefer the Porsche Cayman body style.

It's unfortunate they don't put the six cylinder in it any longer.
2020 Cayman will have six cylinders.
That's interesting.

Good to know because there is no way I'd buy one otherwise.
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This is surprising and MB should feel pretty bad since a comparably equipped MB GLE costs more. I hate MB SUVs. Finally convinced my wife to unload her GLS for X7. They drive like boats and even more disconnected steering than an X5.
Then way buy an X7?
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I'm actually glad they make a lot of money on X5.

It just means it's a great product selling at high volume, so no need for them to cut corners trying to save some costs. Thanks to this, we can expect that in the future they will focus even more on it, increase development budget and make it even better. Also, probably we might even again get a new model sooner than expected.
Who needs a facelift, just give us a completely new model 😀
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