[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by thereef510

what is this method?

It's the issue where in US designated cars (which aren't only sold in US and specifically also includes the Canadian builds), when you put the car in R, the camera shows rear view correctly automatically, but if you then switch to D, the camera remains on the rear view and doesn't automatically switch to forward view. This lack of automatic switch to forward view under this exact routine/daily sequence is the critical problem. It behaves correctly (camera view automatically follows gear switch in this specific sequence) in most of the rest of the world. In coding, it is clear that US is designated differently for this than the rest of the world.

It is best to find old threads on this for further discussion as it is difficult to keep everyone focused on the precise issue rather than some other variants or permutations.

[thereef510]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

It is best to find old threads on this for further discussion as it is difficult to keep everyone focused in the precise issue rather than some other variants or permutations.

yeah I noticed that too. When you said 'the broken camera switching method', I was thinking in terms of thinking you all had a workaround fix that didn't involve coding.

[Auricom]

Originally Posted by eagle_bmw

The remote 3D view now shows the color of my car as white instead of silver. I'm not sure if this is only in 07/2020.x release as I have skipped 03/2020.x. My last 3D view in July 11 with the same CD app was with silver color.

Intentional to spite owners wanting for silver or lighter grey metallic G05s

[eagle_bmw]

Originally Posted by Auricom

Intentional to spite owners wanting for silver or lighter grey metallic G05s

I initially joked the color was reserved for 3D view but now that it's gone it is like adding insult to injury😂

[DFWBMX5]

HI Guys,

Has BMW started pushing OTAs for this update yet or is it dealer installed only at this time?

Thanks!

[JTG1]

Pretty sure dealer only at this point

[ifr]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

It's the issue where in US designated cars (which aren't only sold in US and specifically also includes the Canadian builds), when you put the car in R, the camera shows rear view correctly automatically, but if you then switch to D, the camera remains on the rear view and doesn't automatically switch to forward view. This lack of automatic switch to forward view under this exact routine/daily sequence is the critical problem. It behaves correctly (camera view automatically follows gear switch in this specific sequence) in most of the rest of the world. In coding, it is clear that US is designated differently for this than the rest of the world.

It is best to find old threads on this for further discussion as it is difficult to keep everyone focused on the precise issue rather than some other variants or permutations.

It's working fine on my UK 07/2020 I-step, so in theory should be fixable in coding again give or take a day or 7

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by ifr

It's working fine on my UK 07/2020 I-step, so in theory should be fixable in coding again give or take a day or 7

My engineering life and life in general has overwhelmingly proven that problems not taken to root cause come back to seriously bite you eventually. What worries me is that we don't know the root cause of the delay in activation of the fix coding.

[Marty in NY]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

My engineering life and life in general has overwhelmingly proven that problems not taken to root cause come back to seriously bite you eventually. What worries me is that we don't know the root cause of the delay in activation of the fix coding.

A simple call to one of the Genius's should give the answer

Ok, ok, well, when software is changed, it takes a while to compile so could it be that the processors in the cars multiple puters each need time to do this? I can imagine that they are not the fastest guns in the west and even though most may not have been impacted by a code change, they are all told to compile anyway? Dunno, I'm sort of discounting what I'm writing as I write it Why am I even trying to figure this out???

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by Marty in NY

A simple call to one of the Genius's should give the answer

Ok, ok, well, when software is changed, it takes a while to compile so could it be that the processors in the cars multiple puters each need time to do this? I can imagine that they are not the fastest guns in the west and even though most may not have been impacted by a code change, they are all told to compile anyway? Dunno, I'm sort of discounting what I'm writing as I write it Why am I even trying to figure this out???

Hm, well it is Fri so ... cheers to whatever you're consuming, Marty, and I wish I had some of that for myself on hand as well :-).

[Marty in NY]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

Hm, well it is Fri so ... cheers to whatever you're consuming, Marty, and I wish I had some of that for myself on hand as well :-).

Isn't it always Friday?

[ghurty]

Originally Posted by ifr

Mine is almost complete as it stands. Self-driving works really well with all these systems engaged:
1. Assisted Driving ++
2. aSLA
3. TLR/GWW
4. NHA - passive but good to know it's there
5. auto Lane Change Assistant

Do you know if this would work in the US? I just ordered my cables to be able to code via bimmercode.

Where would I find how to code this? I found the instructions from aSLA, but not the others.

Thank you

[BMWSAC]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

From all reports they don’t plan on changing how the cameras work. Evidently that is how BMWs always have operated except for a short time with the early X5s. That said I really haven’t paid attention to it but assume it didn’t change.

I definitely enjoyed the way it worked before on the 7 and 5.

Maybe some of you already know this. It sticks to rear view if you activated the camera by putting the car in reverse (but you can manually select A view to change how it functions), I guess the logic is if you selected R then you should be paying attention to the rear and who cares about going forward , and since you are reversing, and not necessarily parking, the front probably isn't much of a concern;

BUT if you activated the camera by pressing the autoPark button (the logic is if you are parking, especially parallel parking, you'd probably need to see both front and rear), then the view will be locked on A and it'll show front or rear depending on D or R gear.

[BMWSAC]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

That theory is inaccurate. The mentioned broken camera switching method is only such for US designated cars (and a couple of other countries, Canada being taken down by the US designation as well). Almost everywhere else in the world, the camera correctly follows the gear shift as it should.

With @ifr's help, we have successfully coded the US designated cars to work properly on past ISTEPs, but there is unpredictable and unexplained lag of many days after the coding.

For the record, I will literally not allow my car to be updated unless it is known that this specific issue can still be coded to fix on the updated ISTEP. It's the issue that would flip me from answering the "buy again" poll from my current "yes" to a hard "no".

It's annoying, but a sound logic how they function now. I have 03/2020, so maybe they changed it on this version?

[BMWSAC]

Originally Posted by thereef510

yeah I noticed that too. When you said 'the broken camera switching method', I was thinking in terms of thinking you all had a workaround fix that didn't involve coding.

Just press autoPark instead of selecting R to active the cameras, or once in reverse, manually select A view. Annoying but a sound logic

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by BMWSAC

Just press autoPark instead of selecting R to active the cameras, or once in reverse, manually select A view. Annoying but a sound logic

Sorry, what is "sound" about continuing to show driver the camera direction you could not possibly move into when in D, while not showing driver the actual direction you're going into when in D?

Do you walk backwards and look forward? How is that working out?

[juhcobywankenobi]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

Sorry, what is "sound" about continuing to show driver the camera direction you could not possibly move into when in D, while not showing driver the actual direction you're going into when in D?

Do you walk backwards and look forward? How is that working out?

It works great while playing FPS's but not so sure when driving, maybe racing and someone is coming up on your tail! 😂

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by juhcobywankenobi

It works great while playing FPS's but not so sure when driving, maybe racing and someone is coming up on your tail! 😂

While I appreciate the joke, for precision, it is (mostly) still possible to control the camera direction manually. So you could still watch the rear while driving forward with user control and your (slow speed) video game experience remains available. This specific issue is about the lack of *automatic* camera switch with gear shift switch ie during natural, daily, and routine, rather than video game or otherwise rare and specialized, style of driving.

[BMWSAC]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

Sorry, what is "sound" about continuing to show driver the camera direction you could not possibly move into when in D, while not showing driver the actual direction you're going into when in D?

Do you walk backwards and look forward? How is that working out?

BMW's sound logic is: R means reversing, and not necessarily parking, the front probably isn't much of a concern, because after reversing, you'll probably be driving off while your eyes would be up front and facing the open road; and you CAN activated the camera by pressing the autoPark button (the logic is if you are parking, especially parallel parking, you'd probably need to see both front and rear), then the view will be locked on A and it'll show front or rear depending on D or R gear.

That's annoying, but sound

[LexxM3]

Originally Posted by BMWSAC

BMW's sound logic is: R means reversing, and not necessarily parking, the front probably isn't much of a concern; and you CAN activated the camera by pressing the autoPark button (the logic is if you are parking, especially parallel parking, you'd probably need to see both front and rear), then the view will be locked on A and it'll show front or rear depending on D or R gear.

That's annoying, but sound

That's a ridiculous justification that even BMW clearly doesn't believe since it works right outside US and Canada stock.

[BMWSAC]

Originally Posted by LexxM3

While I appreciate the joke, for precision, it is (mostly) still possible to control the camera direction manually. So you could still watch the rear while driving forward with user control and your (slow speed) video game experience remains available. This specific issue is about the lack of *automatic* camera switch with gear shift switch ie during natural, daily, and routine, rather than video game or otherwise rare and specialized, style of driving.

This so called "lack of automatic camera switch" is untrue. The auto view can be switched 1, by pressing the autoPark button, or 2, by selecting the A view when the cameras were activated with the R gear.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by BMWSAC

BMW's sound logic is: R means reversing, and not necessarily parking, the front probably isn't much of a concern, because after reversing, you'll probably be driving off while your eyes would be up front and facing the open road; and you CAN activated the camera by pressing the autoPark button (the logic is if you are parking, especially parallel parking, you'd probably need to see both front and rear), then the view will be locked on A and it'll show front or rear depending on D or R gear.

That's annoying, but sound

Not logical at all, you are presenting an excuse for the design not a logical reason for it. There is absolutely no use case that has been presented that warrants the screen presenting the rear view when going forward rather than the front view.