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I believe massage seats are part of the Executive package. I did find a few X5M's with recent production dates on Cars.com that have this option. That being said, there is no mention of them under the Executive package on the US build page but they do show under the UK site. |
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Summary Differences* Between X5M & M50i *near as I can tell w/o digging into the parts catalog, not exhaustive, blah blah blah ENGINE • Engine tune (X5M +77 hp, +0 tq; winds +1k rpm -- CP +17hp) • Transmission tune (X5M adds 4wd "sport" mode & slightly faster shifting) • X5M adds different piston crown for better cooling • X5M adds additional engine/transmission oil cooler • X5M adds 2nd oil sump, completely different oil cooling • X5M adds different engine & transmission mounts • X5m CP adds sport exhaust STEERING • X5M adds sharper steering ratio from 1:16-17 in the M50i to 1:13 in the X5M SUSPENSION / CHASSIS • Even if M50i w/ DHP (M Sport Pro suspension, M rear diff) there are parts differences? Yes, example: X5M adds front forged upper control arms • X50i w/DHP adds rear steering (IAS), not avail on X5M • X5M may add rear-axle air suspension* (per BMWNA website May '21 BUT - very very probably an error or new for 5/21+) • X5M adds avail split 21"f/22"rear wheel option (for $650! Or included w/ comp pkg) • X5M adds "M Compound brakes w/ cross-drilled rotors and blue-painted calipers" = 6 piston vs 4 up front + rotors • X5M adds extra bracing; not insignificant: upper & lower front end bracing, rear 7 arm triangle underbody bracing - IMO this is the key "feel" difference, for turn in, body roll, et al - However, significantly compromises comfort for some, especially for slow-speed potholes, speed bumps, etc EXTERIOR • Various cosmetics - Larger front bumper openings, different grille inserts, different fender vents, flared wheel arches, M side mirrors, different rear diffuser INTERIOR • Various cosmetics (CP adds more cosmetics) • X5M adds sport seats, massage is avail as of 5/21 as part of the exec package (i.e., ZEC adds 4T7), however not listed on the BMWNA website • X5M adds Merino leather vs X50i Vernasca - if you're a leather snob, this is a key difference: - X50i Vernasca: real leather w/ artificial dye & finish; the grain is embossed into the leather to make it appear like natural grain - X5M Merino: Best quality cowhide BMW has (besides Lavalina on Alpinas); not dyed w/ artificial colors or coatings; requires care & maintenance Will update as more info comes in, including for 2022 models
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The F95 X5M DOES NOT add rear-axle air suspension. The rears have metal springs, active rollbars & dampeners.
The F85's had it.
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The rear springs & dampeners off the car.
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That is correct. My F85 had rear air suspension but the F95 is old school coil springs/dampers.
This is where BMW screwed up imo. My F85 was the perfect blend of comfort while still handled like a M suv. BMW decided to either cheap out or wanted something that was too track focused on the F95 making it super stiff.
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Or could be new for 5/21+ and/or 22 models, though seems improbable, but still ... it's on all of BMWNA's latest docs ... I updated the post
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LOL over the "leather snob" description of the Vernasca vs Merino. I've been both lectured and scolded sharply here by my questioning the need for Chanel Purse quality leather seats in what is essentially a high performance truck like vehicle. The only thing I see on you list above that I really want is the 80 or 90 more HP. Hopefully there will be a viable tuning option that will yield well over a 100 square on this TT 4.4L as they do on pre 2021 models that employ them. Once again your post is very informative with a nice dose of humor. |
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I guess you should be able to mount a MSS suspension to m50i if they are hardware identical? |
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- Adaptive M Suspension Professional (Adaptive M Suspension with electronically controlled damper), - Active Roll Stabilization, - M Sport Differential - blah, blah, blah but the X5M tuning is likely different and the chassis bracing makes a big difference IMO, but BMW doesn't seem excited to detail it out other than "but this one has 11 ///Ms" |
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Edit: After further reading it looks like Car and Driver got the Ram TRX to do 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and the quarter mile at 12.3 seconds. So it appears that neither will spank the other from stoplight to stoplight as they are pretty similar. |
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An X5 M50i can rip off a 3.8 second 0-60 per professional testing backed up by posted Draggy times and I have seen the X5M tested at 3.3 seconds. Ain't no damn pick up truck hanging with a full on M. |
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I'm not knocking the awesome TRX, but unless one hauls ass in a straight-line everywhere and/or has never taken a turn at speeds, the F95 is a faster, more complete car. Car & Driver also has tested the F95. Performance-wise, it's faster all around, with a 12.0-12.1s quarter mile time: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...mw-x5-m-drive/ Although a 0.3s quarter mile difference may not seem like much, it equates to about 2-3 bus lengths in trailing distance.
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I think a lot of people buy the M car for the exclusivity and it's just a different level than the M50i. That being said, I think the M50i models are really good deals for what you get.
I had a M550i before my M5 and the handling is the most glaring difference. That being said, for the price of a normal 5 series....the M550i was pretty great. Whether the exclusivity and handling is worth $30k to each person, that's personal preference. You get a great car no matter what, though.
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Anyway, for me, the X5m is probably right as it feels more natural for how I drive, but I really don't like the gas mileage - puts you in < 300 miles of range which is pretty annoying ... how about a larger tank?!? I suppose they didn't want emotionally needy buyers getting lower 0-60 times w/ a full tank ... but, 285 miles of range?? I guess you can just fill up some plastic bags and haul 'em in the back though? Welp, we'll see what's announced for 2022 ... if it's similar or better, I"m in! |
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I drive in the efficient/comfort mode almost all of the time and my range states 400 miles at full tank.
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