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      05-08-2021, 11:22 PM   #45
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The X5M comes with both front seat ventilation and massaging seats standardin the US. I believe BMW, when there was supply issues, cut the lower trim before limiting the full ///M.

I also believe you can only get soft close on the X5M in the X5 lineup or at least that was early this year.
Can confirm massage and ventilation on X5MC delivered late March 2021
I can not confirm on new builds.

I believe massage seats are part of the Executive package. I did find a few X5M's with recent production dates on Cars.com that have this option.

That being said, there is no mention of them under the Executive package on the US build page but they do show under the UK site.
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Summary Differences* Between X5M & M50i

*near as I can tell w/o digging into the parts catalog, not exhaustive, blah blah blah

ENGINE
• Engine tune (X5M +77 hp, +0 tq; winds +1k rpm -- CP +17hp)
• Transmission tune (X5M adds 4wd "sport" mode & slightly faster shifting)
• X5M adds different piston crown for better cooling
• X5M adds additional engine/transmission oil cooler
• X5M adds 2nd oil sump, completely different oil cooling
• X5M adds different engine & transmission mounts
• X5m CP adds sport exhaust

STEERING
• X5M adds sharper steering ratio from 1:16-17 in the M50i to 1:13 in the X5M

SUSPENSION / CHASSIS
• Even if M50i w/ DHP (M Sport Pro suspension, M rear diff) there are parts differences? Yes, example: X5M adds front forged upper control arms
• X50i w/DHP adds rear steering (IAS), not avail on X5M
• X5M may add rear-axle air suspension* (per BMWNA website May '21 BUT - very very probably an error or new for 5/21+)
• X5M adds avail split 21"f/22"rear wheel option (for $650! Or included w/ comp pkg)
• X5M adds "M Compound brakes w/ cross-drilled rotors and blue-painted calipers" = 6 piston vs 4 up front + rotors
• X5M adds extra bracing; not insignificant: upper & lower front end bracing, rear 7 arm triangle underbody bracing
- IMO this is the key "feel" difference, for turn in, body roll, et al
- However, significantly compromises comfort for some, especially for slow-speed potholes, speed bumps, etc


EXTERIOR
• Various cosmetics
- Larger front bumper openings, different grille inserts, different fender vents, flared wheel arches, M side mirrors, different rear diffuser

INTERIOR
• Various cosmetics (CP adds more cosmetics)
• X5M adds sport seats, massage is avail as of 5/21 as part of the exec package (i.e., ZEC adds 4T7), however not listed on the BMWNA website
• X5M adds Merino leather vs X50i Vernasca - if you're a leather snob, this is a key difference:
- X50i Vernasca: real leather w/ artificial dye & finish; the grain is embossed into the leather to make it appear like natural grain
- X5M Merino: Best quality cowhide BMW has (besides Lavalina on Alpinas); not dyed w/ artificial colors or coatings; requires care & maintenance


Will update as more info comes in, including for 2022 models
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SUSPENSION / CHASSIS
• X5M adds rear-axle air suspension
The F95 X5M DOES NOT add rear-axle air suspension. The rears have metal springs, active rollbars & dampeners.

The F85's had it.
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The F95 X5M DOES NOT add rear-axle air suspension. The rears have metal springs, active rollbars & dampeners.

The F85's had it.
Then website/lit mistake? Because all the literature says the X5m has rear-axle air suspension:

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Then website/lit mistake? Because all the literature says the X5m has rear-axle air suspension:
It's either for an F85 or a gross error. Here are one of my rear MSS springs on my F96, and the MSS sleeve kit is also compatible for an F95. I can confirm it's definitely not an air suspension rear.
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The rear springs & dampeners off the car.
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That is correct. My F85 had rear air suspension but the F95 is old school coil springs/dampers.

This is where BMW screwed up imo. My F85 was the perfect blend of comfort while still handled like a M suv. BMW decided to either cheap out or wanted something that was too track focused on the F95 making it super stiff.
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It's either for an F85 or a gross error.
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That is correct.
Or could be new for 5/21+ and/or 22 models, though seems improbable, but still ... it's on all of BMWNA's latest docs ... I updated the post
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Summary Differences* Between X5M & M50i

*near as I can tell w/o digging into the parts catalog, not exhaustive, blah blah blah

ENGINE
• Engine tune (X5M +77 hp, +0 tq; winds +1k rpm -- CP +17hp)
• Transmission tune (X5M adds 4wd "sport" mode & slightly faster shifting)
• X5M adds different piston crown for better cooling
• X5M adds additional engine/transmission oil cooler
• X5M adds 2nd oil sump, completely different oil cooling
• X5M adds different engine & transmission mounts
• X5m CP adds sport exhaust

SUSPENSION / CHASSIS
• If M50i w/ DHP, no hardware difference (M Sport Pro suspension, M rear diff)
• X50i w/DHP adds rear steering (IAS), not avail on X5M
• X5M adds rear-axle air suspension* (per BMWNA website as of 5/21 - could be an error or new for 5/21+)
• X5M adds avail split 21"f/22"rear wheel option
• X5M adds extra bracing; not insignificant: upper & lower front end bracing, rear 7 arm triangle underbody bracing
- IMO this is the key "feel" difference, for turn in, body roll, et al
- However, significantly compromises comfort for some, especially for slow-speed potholes, speed bumps, etc

INTERIOR
• Various cosmetics (CP adds more cosmetics)
• X5M adds sport seats, possibly no massage avail as of 5/21
• X5M adds Merino leather vs X50i Vernasca - if you're a leather snob, this is a key difference:
- Vernasca: real leather w/ artificial dye & finish; the grain is embossed into the leather to make it appear like natural grain
- Merino: Best quality cowhide BMW has (besides Lavalina on Alpinas); not dyed w/ artificial colors or coatings; requires care & maintenance


Will update as more info comes in, including for 2022 models
Thanks for posting these differences, really puts things into context.
LOL over the "leather snob" description of the Vernasca vs Merino. I've been both lectured and scolded sharply here by my questioning the need for Chanel Purse quality leather seats in what is essentially a high performance truck like vehicle.
The only thing I see on you list above that I really want is the 80 or 90 more HP. Hopefully there will be a viable tuning option that will yield well over a 100 square on this TT 4.4L as they do on pre 2021 models that employ them.
Once again your post is very informative with a nice dose of humor.
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[header=Summary Differences* Between X5M & M50i]Summary Differences Between X5M & M50i[/B]
SUSPENSION / CHASSIS
• If M50i w/ DHP, no hardware difference (M Sport Pro suspension, M rear diff)
Genuinely curious here that they are hardware identical as X5m has a much harsher/flatter ride- maybe this is all the stiffening?

I guess you should be able to mount a MSS suspension to m50i if they are hardware identical?
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Thanks for posting these differences, really puts things into context.
LOL over the "leather snob" description of the Vernasca vs Merino. I've been both lectured and scolded sharply here by my questioning the need for Chanel Purse quality leather seats in what is essentially a high performance truck like vehicle.
The only thing I see on you list above that I really want is the 80 or 90 more HP. Hopefully there will be a viable tuning option that will yield well over a 100 square on this TT 4.4L as they do on pre 2021 models that employ them.
Once again your post is very informative with a nice dose of humor.
I drove both the M and the M50 then my wife who will be driving most of the time. We both preferred the M hands down. That being said "high performance truck like vehicle" maybe so but my "truck" will spank the X5 M like a red headed step child stoplight to stoplight and in a standing quarter mile dead even.
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Thanks for posting these differences, really puts things into context.
LOL over the "leather snob" description of the Vernasca vs Merino. I've been both lectured and scolded sharply here by my questioning the need for Chanel Purse quality leather seats in what is essentially a high performance truck like vehicle.
The only thing I see on you list above that I really want is the 80 or 90 more HP. Hopefully there will be a viable tuning option that will yield well over a 100 square on this TT 4.4L as they do on pre 2021 models that employ them.
Once again your post is very informative with a nice dose of humor.
I drove both the M and the M50 then my wife who will be driving most of the time. We both preferred the M hands down. That being said "high performance truck like vehicle" maybe so but my "truck" will spank the X5 M like a red headed step child stoplight to stoplight and in a standing quarter mile dead even.
What high performance truck you referring to?
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Genuinely curious here that they are hardware identical as X5m has a much harsher/flatter ride- maybe this is all the stiffening?
Well, the marketing says the hardware is the same:

- Adaptive M Suspension Professional (Adaptive M Suspension with electronically controlled damper),
- Active Roll Stabilization,
- M Sport Differential
- blah, blah, blah

but the X5M tuning is likely different and the chassis bracing makes a big difference IMO, but

BMW doesn't seem excited to detail it out other than "but this one has 11 ///Ms"
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Thanks for posting these differences, really puts things into context.
LOL over the "leather snob" description of the Vernasca vs Merino. I've been both lectured and scolded sharply here by my questioning the need for Chanel Purse quality leather seats in what is essentially a high performance truck like vehicle.
The only thing I see on you list above that I really want is the 80 or 90 more HP. Hopefully there will be a viable tuning option that will yield well over a 100 square on this TT 4.4L as they do on pre 2021 models that employ them.
Once again your post is very informative with a nice dose of humor.
I drove both the M and the M50 then my wife who will be driving most of the time. We both preferred the M hands down. That being said "high performance truck like vehicle" maybe so but my "truck" will spank the X5 M like a red headed step child stoplight to stoplight and in a standing quarter mile dead even.
What high performance truck you referring to?
I am quite curious about this as well. I believe the fastest production truck currently is the Ram TRX with a 0-60 of 4.5 seconds which can't compete with the X5M at 3.8 seconds.

Edit: After further reading it looks like Car and Driver got the Ram TRX to do 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and the quarter mile at 12.3 seconds. So it appears that neither will spank the other from stoplight to stoplight as they are pretty similar.
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I am quite curious about this as well. I believe the fastest production truck currently is the Ram TRX with a 0-60 of 4.5 seconds which can't compete with the X5M at 3.8 seconds.
Somebody is obviously full of crap.
An X5 M50i can rip off a 3.8 second 0-60 per professional testing backed up by posted Draggy times and I have seen the X5M tested at 3.3 seconds. Ain't no damn pick up truck hanging with a full on M.
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Thanks for posting these differences, really puts things into context.
LOL over the "leather snob" description of the Vernasca vs Merino. I've been both lectured and scolded sharply here by my questioning the need for Chanel Purse quality leather seats in what is essentially a high performance truck like vehicle.
The only thing I see on you list above that I really want is the 80 or 90 more HP. Hopefully there will be a viable tuning option that will yield well over a 100 square on this TT 4.4L as they do on pre 2021 models that employ them.
Once again your post is very informative with a nice dose of humor.
I drove both the M and the M50 then my wife who will be driving most of the time. We both preferred the M hands down. That being said "high performance truck like vehicle" maybe so but my "truck" will spank the X5 M like a red headed step child stoplight to stoplight and in a standing quarter mile dead even.
What high performance truck you referring to?
I am quite curious about this as well. I believe the fastest production truck currently is the Ram TRX with a 0-60 of 4.5 seconds which can't compete with the X5M at 3.8 seconds.

Edit: After further reading it looks like Car and Driver got the Ram TRX to do 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and the quarter mile at 12.3 seconds. So it appears that neither will spank the other from stoplight to stoplight as they are pretty similar.
X5M and X5 M50i are much faster than all the published times. Also the other one is a Dodge Ram pickup truck interior.
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I am quite curious about this as well. I believe the fastest production truck currently is the Ram TRX with a 0-60 of 4.5 seconds which can't compete with the X5M at 3.8 seconds.

Edit: After further reading it looks like Car and Driver got the Ram TRX to do 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and the quarter mile at 12.3 seconds. So it appears that neither will spank the other from stoplight to stoplight as they are pretty similar.
Both are pretty similar in the sense in which each are lifted, has V8's and four tires

I'm not knocking the awesome TRX, but unless one hauls ass in a straight-line everywhere and/or has never taken a turn at speeds, the F95 is a faster, more complete car.

Car & Driver also has tested the F95. Performance-wise, it's faster all around, with a 12.0-12.1s quarter mile time:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...mw-x5-m-drive/

Although a 0.3s quarter mile difference may not seem like much, it equates to about 2-3 bus lengths in trailing distance.
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I think a lot of people buy the M car for the exclusivity and it's just a different level than the M50i. That being said, I think the M50i models are really good deals for what you get.

I had a M550i before my M5 and the handling is the most glaring difference. That being said, for the price of a normal 5 series....the M550i was pretty great. Whether the exclusivity and handling is worth $30k to each person, that's personal preference. You get a great car no matter what, though.
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I think a lot of people buy the M car for the exclusivity and it's just a different level than the M50i. That being said, I think the M50i models are really good deals for what you get.
BMW exclusivity? Kinda like Gap is exclusive compared to Old Navy isn't it?

Anyway, for me, the X5m is probably right as it feels more natural for how I drive, but I really don't like the gas mileage - puts you in < 300 miles of range which is pretty annoying ... how about a larger tank?!?

I suppose they didn't want emotionally needy buyers getting lower 0-60 times w/ a full tank ... but, 285 miles of range?? I guess you can just fill up some plastic bags and haul 'em in the back though?

Welp, we'll see what's announced for 2022 ... if it's similar or better, I"m in!
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Even in the worst NYC stop and go traffic my car tells me I get between 300-325 miles per tank as a baseline. This is driven in sport+ Mode exclusively too.

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