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      05-15-2021, 08:17 PM   #67
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I drive in the efficient/comfort mode almost all of the time and my range states 400 miles at full tank.
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I get between 300-325 miles per tank as a baseline. This is driven in sport+ Mode exclusively too.

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Good to know gents, thanks! That's about what I get in an M4 so that wouldn't be too bad ... primarily looking for a road trip vehicle.

Nice thing about either the X5m or M50i ... no worries about passing semis and getting up mountain passes!
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Even in the worst NYC stop and go traffic my car tells me I get between 300-325 miles per tank as a baseline. This is driven in sport+ Mode exclusively too.

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I get under 300 on the highway in all comfort. But this is purely a function of speed and corresponding air resistance.
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I get under 300 on the highway in all comfort. But this is purely a function of speed and corresponding air resistance.
that's sounding more correct based on the posted data ... what speed do you normally drive? I'm normally @ 85ish.
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that's sounding more correct based on the posted data ... what speed do you normally drive? I'm normally @ 85ish.
Confessing to speed violations explicitly and in writing doesn't feel right somehow. Your range will be much better than mine - I wouldn't be surprised to see 330+.
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I think a lot of people buy the M car for the exclusivity and it's just a different level than the M50i. That being said, I think the M50i models are really good deals for what you get.
BMW exclusivity? Kinda like Gap is exclusive compared to Old Navy isn't it?

Anyway, for me, the X5m is probably right as it feels more natural for how I drive, but I really don't like the gas mileage - puts you in < 300 miles of range which is pretty annoying ... how about a larger tank?!?

I suppose they didn't want emotionally needy buyers getting lower 0-60 times w/ a full tank ... but, 285 miles of range?? I guess you can just fill up some plastic bags and haul 'em in the back though?

Welp, we'll see what's announced for 2022 ... if it's similar or better, I"m in!
No, not at all. You are comparing two cheap clothing manufacturers to a $120,000 car.
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No, not at all. You are comparing two cheap clothing manufacturers to a $120,000 car.
Ok, well, said differently, a BMW is a mass produced working person's car - nothing about that is too "exclusive" except in the most absolute sense. Versus, say, a Rolls Royce, Bentley, or even a Lambo which excludes just about everyone.

So, no, a BMW X5M is not very exclusive or rare. Cool car, sure; but, hey, yesterday I saw a filthy one parked in front of a scrubby strip mall in Eugene Oregon, so "exclusive" is stretching it well past aspirational, and getting frighteningly close to delusional
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Ok, well, said differently, a BMW is a mass produced working person's car - nothing about that is too "exclusive" except in the most absolute sense. Versus, say, a Rolls Royce, Bentley, or even a Lambo which excludes just about everyone.

So, no, a BMW X5M is not very exclusive or rare. Cool car, sure; but, hey, yesterday I saw a filthy one parked in front of a scrubby strip mall in Eugene Oregon, so "exclusive" is stretching it well past aspirational, and getting frighteningly close to delusional
The X5M is very affordable honestly for what you get. Price indicates how "exclusive" something is from what I can tell.
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yep just another mass produced car.. look at Tesla model X.. back couple years ago and even now an easy 100K and they are a dime a dozen out here in Socal.. its becoming as standard as having an Iphone..
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The X5M is very affordable honestly for what you get. Price indicates how "exclusive" something is from what I can tell.
Yeah, I mean not to poop in anyone's morning exclusive cheerios but ... these are all working-class cars, i.e., most everyone buying one needs to work to afford one and their current X5M lifestyle. Not to say we're not lucky to be able to afford one, but there is a greater context ...

I would offer colloquial use of "exclusive" starts at the point where people who need to work for a living don't go, and that's probably somewhere around the $200k zone. Just about everyone would agree an Urus, Cullinan, Bentayga are "exclusive" as are high-spec Range Rovers & AMG G-Wagens.

Comparatively, the X5M is in the $100k range and 99.9% of people wouldn't know an X5M from the lowest spec 45e or 40i parked at Walgreens. (in fact no BMW would look odd in a Walgreens parking lot!)

The X5M is a super cool car, and a very nice car, and a great GREAT value and anyone who can afford the experience is lucky! ... but it's still a mass-produced working-class car and thus not very "exclusive" compared to 10+ other SUV brands out there.
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The X5M is very affordable honestly for what you get. Price indicates how "exclusive" something is from what I can tell.
Yeah, I mean not to poop in anyone's morning exclusive cheerios but ... these are all working-class cars, i.e., most everyone buying one needs to work to afford one and their current X5M lifestyle. Not to say we're not lucky to be able to afford one, but there is a greater context ...

I would offer colloquial use of "exclusive" starts at the point where people who need to work for a living don't go, and that's probably somewhere around the $200k zone. Just about everyone would agree an Urus, Cullinan, Bentayga are "exclusive" as are high-spec Range Rovers & AMG G-Wagens.

Comparatively, the X5M is in the $100k range and 99.9% of people wouldn't know an X5M from the lowest spec 45e or 40i parked at Walgreens. (in fact no BMW would look odd in a Walgreens parking lot!)

The X5M is a super cool car, and a very nice car, and a great GREAT value and anyone who can afford the experience is lucky! ... but it's still a mass-produced working-class car and thus not very "exclusive" compared to 10+ other SUV brands out there.
A 100K car is working class? Uh…sure.

The only cars considered exclusive are brands that only make exclusive cars. A g wagon could be a Jeep Wrangler to 99% of people.

BMW isn't known for exclusive cars, but they make exclusive cars within their range. M cars are their entry exclusives and alpinas are their top exclusives. Within the M car range you have those that are less common like M5s and X5Ms and more often like M4s and below. I see M3s and 4s on my way to work everyday. M5s occasionally and X5Ms maybe once every two weeks, if even.
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Yeah, I mean not to poop in anyone's morning exclusive cheerios but ... these are all working-class cars, i.e., most everyone buying one needs to work to afford one and their current X5M lifestyle. Not to say we're not lucky to be able to afford one, but there is a greater context ...

I would offer colloquial use of "exclusive" starts at the point where people who need to work for a living don't go, and that's probably somewhere around the $200k zone. Just about everyone would agree an Urus, Cullinan, Bentayga are "exclusive" as are high-spec Range Rovers & AMG G-Wagens.

Comparatively, the X5M is in the $100k range and 99.9% of people wouldn't know an X5M from the lowest spec 45e or 40i parked at Walgreens. (in fact no BMW would look odd in a Walgreens parking lot!)

The X5M is a super cool car, and a very nice car, and a great GREAT value and anyone who can afford the experience is lucky! ... but it's still a mass-produced working-class car and thus not very "exclusive" compared to 10+ other SUV brands out there.
This is kind of the point tho- plenty of people could afford 200k+ cars but choose the x5 partially because it’s indistinguishable- I like to think it’s the best balance of anonymity vs quality . Above 100k people dont think about what they can afford, they think about what they want to drive!
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Above 100k people dont think about what they can afford, they think about what they want to drive!
Yeah, not with you on that unless we add "stupid" in front of "people".

If one needs to work to maintain one's lifestyle, they damn well better be thinking about what they're spending their money on.

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…Comparatively, the X5M is in the $100k range and 99.9% of people wouldn't know an X5M from the lowest spec 45e or 40i parked at Walgreens. (in fact no BMW would look odd in a Walgreens parking lot!)...
Despite my love for X5M, i would echo that statement.

People will notice a Lambo, Ferrari or or a [non-Chaenne] Porsche. Even a Corvette.
No one except knuckle-heads like us on this forum would ever notice a X5M unless it’s painted in lime green.

I really like the notion of X5M though. And would opt for one if it had a softer ride. And that lime color of course to annoy my neighbors.
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A 100K car is working class? Uh…sure
Yeah - the key root word in there is "work": i.e., do you have to do paid work to have an X5M?

Then it's working-class. cause "work". Again, we're all very lucky to have great gigs, but still ... for most it's work or no X5m.


Ya know ... I gotta hand it to the BMW marketing department if there are this many people thinking a BMW is a 10lb bag of diamonds.

Related thought: how kickass is Mercedes-Benz as a brand that the CEO drives a MB S-class and the honey truck driver drives an MB pump truck?

Seriously. How the fuck did they do that?



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Yeah, I mean not to poop in anyone's morning exclusive cheerios but ... these are all working-class cars, i.e., most everyone buying one needs to work to afford one and their current X5M lifestyle. Not to say we're not lucky to be able to afford one, but there is a greater context ...

I would offer colloquial use of "exclusive" starts at the point where people who need to work for a living don't go, and that's probably somewhere around the $200k zone. Just about everyone would agree an Urus, Cullinan, Bentayga are "exclusive" as are high-spec Range Rovers & AMG G-Wagens.

Comparatively, the X5M is in the $100k range and 99.9% of people wouldn't know an X5M from the lowest spec 45e or 40i parked at Walgreens. (in fact no BMW would look odd in a Walgreens parking lot!)

The X5M is a super cool car, and a very nice car, and a great GREAT value and anyone who can afford the experience is lucky! ... but it's still a mass-produced working-class car and thus not very "exclusive" compared to 10+ other SUV brands out there.
2013-2014 Range Rovers are like $30k now and no one is going to know the difference between a highly-optioned one and a bare bones one. That's another poor example. Most people also won't know the difference between a 2005 Bentley GT that's $35k and a new one, either.

To say a $120k car is basic and then compare it to Gap/Old Navy is just off-base.

I agree that most people buying Ferraris and Lambos don't care what they cost. However, that same sentiment is why a lot of people buy M5, M8, etc. and not M2 or M3's.....or they buy M models and not M-Sport or basic models.
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Yeah - the key root word in there is "work": i.e., do you have to do paid work to have an X5M?

Then it's working-class. cause "work". Again, we're all very lucky to have great gigs, but still ... for most it's work or no X5m.


Ya know ... I gotta hand it to the BMW marketing department if there are this many people thinking a BMW is a 10lb bag of diamonds.

Related thought: how kickass is Mercedes-Benz as a brand that the CEO drives a MB S-class and the honey truck driver drives an MB pump truck?

Seriously. How the fuck did they do that?



I mean, what? So people who own Ferraris and Bentleys don't work? WTF are you even talking about? You are out of touch with reality if you think a $100k car is a working class car. I mean...you have a 4-year old M4.....what is that considered?
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I mean, what? So people who own Ferraris and Bentleys don't work? WTF are you even talking about? You are out of touch with reality if you think a $100k car is a working class car. I mean...you have a 4-year old M4.....what is that considered?
um, ok, sure: BMW=independently wealthy
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not even sure why this is consideration if the difference is 10K,

the X5M will shit all over the the x5 Sport

I have had a F15 X5 m sport for the last 3 years and just added the F85 X5m, granted last gen but it doesn't even feel like the same car. Its amazing how different it is.

I can only assume the same difference of the current one.

If I was shopping between these 2, first step is to drive them, the difference in feel and drive will be mind blowing.
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Despite my love for X5M, i would echo that statement.

People will notice a Lambo, Ferrari or or a [non-Chaenne] Porsche. Even a Corvette.
No one except knuckle-heads like us on this forum would ever notice a X5M unless it’s painted in lime green.

I really like the notion of X5M though. And would opt for one if it had a softer ride. And that lime color of course to annoy my neighbors.
Just kidding.
Actually it depends. I find the X5M in Toronto Red or Marina Bay Blue to stand out as much as a sports car would. Even my passengers notice that a lot of people look at my car while I'm driving around. Its a large car sporting a loud color......theirs no way its not noticed.
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Actually it depends. I find the X5M in Toronto Red or Marina Bay Blue to stand out as much as a sports car would. Even my passengers notice that a lot of people look at my car while I'm driving around. Its a large car sporting a loud color......theirs no way its not noticed.
Unfortunately, IMHO of course, unless it looks like Lambo, it’s just another “nice X5”.
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Actually it depends. I find the X5M in Toronto Red or Marina Bay Blue to stand out as much as a sports car would. Even my passengers notice that a lot of people look at my car while I'm driving around. Its a large car sporting a loud color......theirs no way its not noticed.

Echo this ... a clean & shiny Marina Bay Blue X5M (especially with MSS to lower it, and spacers, in my case) turns heads. i actually noticed this a few days ago when waiting for my wife in a parking space at a shopping center ... kids, dads, teens, all seemed to see the car and stare, checking out the front end intakes / grills, 1 guy even crouched down to look at the drilled brake discs / calipers / tyre size ( i assume) without realising i was in the car!

you can multiply that effect 10x on a sunny day, especially when cruising around town with even the stock exhaust humming.

i can't read lips but have seen plenty of elbows being tugged with a "look at that" or "nice car" or similar

none of the above is to show off, just to share that an MBB X5M (Comp in my case) doesn't go unnoticed ... which is perfectly fine with me!
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