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      03-19-2016, 08:33 PM   #45
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But you say they should be out there continuously improving. They don't enough sets of supersofts to be doing that. In the past they went out on another set of tires(soft) and set a banker lap in beginning of session. Then put on supersofts as needed to improve on their time. They don't have unlimited sets of supersofts for the weekend. There is a reason teams chose not to go out and improve their times.
Maybe continuously is an exaggeration but just as we saw the elimination coming so did they and instead of keeping or bringing the car out for another two three laps in time to get a time worthy of the car they just sat there until it was too late or finally brought the car out when it was too late to complete a fast lap...unbelievably disappointing and stupid for teams on this level. I think it will be much better next race.

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Maybe continuously is an exaggeration but just as we saw the elimination coming so did they and instead of keeping or bringing the car out for another two three laps in time to get a time worthy of the car they just sat there until it was too late or finally brought the car out when it was too late to complete a fast lap...unbelievably disappointing and stupid for teams on this level.
Haas was the only team that really made a truly bad timing error. A lot of teams made the choice not to go out for strategic reasons. For example Ferrari, who sat their drivers for remainder of final session. They used 2 sets of supersofts in session 2, then a fourth set in beginning of final 8. They chose to sit Seb/Kimi and save a set of tires for the race. Now that these regulations require everyone to go out on supersofts from the beginning of each session, these results continue.
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I think it will be much better next race.
Sounds like the regulations will be changed for Bahrain.
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Haas was the only team that really made a truly bad timing error. A lot of teams made the choice not to go out for strategic reasons. For example Ferrari, who sat their drivers for remainder of final session. They used 2 sets of supersofts in session 2, then a fourth set in beginning of final 8. They chose to sit Seb/Kimi and save a set of tires for the race. Now that these regulations require everyone to go out on supersofts from the beginning of each session, these results continue.

Sounds like the regulations will be changed for Bahrain.
Not sure we watched the same quali...pretty much all of them blew it except the two exceptionally fast teams with at least one car, Macca, Williams, Renault to name a few.
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If the issue is teams are running out tires, then a possible solution is for Pirelli to come up with a qualy-tire with lasting performance - only use for qualification.

I still think 90 seconds is too short a time to react if you're on the chopping block to get eliminated... either expand the time or count ongoing flying laps as the 90 second time limit expires. A number of cars which had pace to not be eliminated were out in the middle of flying laps just because time ran out.
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It's good that they look at ways to improve the show, this one didn't even get a fair shot since the teams obviously needed more time to adapt but just as well they can the idea since there are better ways. Unlimited tires and fuel being on top of that list in my book.

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If the issue is teams are running out tires, then a possible solution is for Pirelli to come up with a qualy-tire with lasting performance - only use for qualification.

I still think 90 seconds is too short a time to react if you're on the chopping block to get eliminated... either expand the time or count ongoing flying laps as the 90 second time limit expires. A number of cars which had pace to not be eliminated were out in the middle of flying laps just because time ran out.
The idea with 90s was to not give teams a chance to sit on their asses in the pit and only get out when they were on the chopping block. The intention was to force them running laps close to the absolute maximum of what the car and driver is capable of before pitting and thereby having more laps and entertainment throughout the quali and increasing the chance that the starting field represents the speed in the cars more often than the old format that leave so much to chance when everyone sit in the pit until there is only time for one fast lap. One mistake, yellow flag or faul play ( yes Nico that's you ) and it's effed up.
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      03-19-2016, 11:11 PM   #51
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hooray! f1 is back!
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Qualifying yesterday was a shit fight and I for one am glad they have reverted back to the old way for the next race. If F1 want to see what qualifying should look like they just have to watch the MotoGP qualifying yesterday.

Now they've just got to sort out the distribution of funds so the big boys don't get it all. They have to at least try to get it a bit more exciting than it has been the last couple of years.

Anyway we can at least watch the race during the daylight hours

About 10 minutes to go!
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Wow. Alonso got a little too happy with newfound pace.

Insane crash. Going airborne. Nice footage. Lucky that he walked away just like that... ableit with a limp.

Took awhile to even recognize the car in its current state.
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this race just got crazy after that Alonso crash. good thing he's ok, but man those McLaren Hondas were doing good too. interesting whats going to happen when the race restarts.
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Mercedes pit and tire strategy is on point.
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After all that, a Mercedes 1-2 finish.

Very telling when after safety car period, Vettel was on supersoft and Rosberg on medium. Vettel could only pull a 3 sec gap. According to Pirelli supersoft should have a 1.9 sec a lap advantage over medium tires.

Congrats to Haas! P6
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After all that, a Mercedes 1-2 finish.

Very telling when after safety car period, Vettel was on supersoft and Rosberg on medium. Vettel could only pull a 3 sec gap. According to Pirelli supersoft should have a 1.9 sec a lap advantage over medium tires.

Congrats to Haas! P6
He caught up to Hamilton without a problem on the softs. He was probably trying to extend the super softs as long as he can.

If he pulled a gap and ruined the tires in a couple laps, the softs wouldn't have made it till the end. They were already going out.
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He caught up to Hamilton without a problem on the softs. He was probably trying to extend the super softs as long as he can.

If he pulled a gap and ruined the tires in a couple laps, the softs wouldn't have made it till the end. They were already going out.
How many laps were on Ham medium tires when Vettel switched to softs. Half of those laps spent behind Sainz dirty air.

Not buying the NBC announcers giving false hope for challenged title run from Ferrari. I think the speed gap on equal tires is still large. We will see soon in Bahrain with the old quali back.
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That Alonso is ok is the only thing that matters from that race, holy fcuck that was scary. Looking forward to the next race without that level of violence please.
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Serious airtime once it went on the gravel.

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Not sure we watched the same quali...pretty much all of them blew it except the two exceptionally fast teams with at least one car, Macca, Williams, Renault to name a few.
For some reason, you keep ignoring the facts. In order to pit, go back out, and do a timed lap, you need to do 3 laps (2 of which are longer than 1:30) plus a pit service. That's a total of 5 minutes. So if the elimination time is less than 5 minutes away, it becomes impossible to do, so they have no choice but to remain in the pits. What part of this is not clear?
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He caught up to Hamilton without a problem on the softs. He was probably trying to extend the super softs as long as he can.

If he pulled a gap and ruined the tires in a couple laps, the softs wouldn't have made it till the end. They were already going out.
How many laps were on Ham medium tires when Vettel switched to softs. Half of those laps spent behind Sainz dirty air.

Not buying the NBC announcers giving false hope for challenged title run from Ferrari. I think the speed gap on equal tires is still large. We will see soon in Bahrain with the old quali back.
Exactly.. Ham spent most of the race unable to overtake anyone. Last year he would have flown by the Torro Rossos and Rosberg would have went around Kimi pretty easily.

How many laps can the Mediums do before they start falling off?
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Exactly.. Ham spent most of the race unable to overtake anyone. Last year he would have flown by the Torro Rossos and Rosberg would have went around Kimi pretty easily.
Not at a track like Melbourne. Difficult to pass there, not a lot of real overtaking areas. The DRS zones at Melbourne are worthless. Wait until we get to the open modern F1 tracks. I feel it will be similar domination. I wish I was optimistic like you, a battle this year would be fun to watch. I see Mercedes winning 90%+ of the races again.
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Exactly.. Ham spent most of the race unable to overtake anyone. Last year he would have flown by the Torro Rossos and Rosberg would have went around Kimi pretty easily.

How many laps can the Mediums do before they start falling off?
Agreed. The gap looks to be smaller this year.
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For some reason, you keep ignoring the facts. In order to pit, go back out, and do a timed lap, you need to do 3 laps (2 of which are longer than 1:30) plus a pit service. That's a total of 5 minutes. So if the elimination time is less than 5 minutes away, it becomes impossible to do, so they have no choice but to remain in the pits. What part of this is not clear?
And you keep ignoring the length of each session and the ample time to get the best out of the car BEFORE pitting or after a short pit stop for adjustments. Most teams did not get the best out of the cars since they choose to hang out in the pits.
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The media seems to be glossing over the fact Kimi's engine blew up into flames. After they spent testing writing 2016 Ferrari powered cars could have engine reliability issues. Gutierrez was reporting engine problems from the start of the race, he pace was not the same as Grosjean.


Tokens spent ahead of Australian GP. Ferrari definitely tried the biggest swing in the off-season.

Ferrari 23 (9 remaining)
Honda 18 (14 remaining)
Mercedes 19 (13 remaining)
Renault 7 (25 remaining)
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