No more Chargers or Challengers?

Captain Blood · 08-16-2022, 02:42 PM

https://thehill.com/changing-america...ent=share-link

nerdogray · 08-16-2022, 02:49 PM

Now if they can only do something about the ones already on the road.

Rono63 · 08-16-2022, 03:33 PM

It's looking more and more like the manufacturers are going to skip the hybrid version of models and go straight to EVs.

BIGW0RM · 08-16-2022, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rono63

It's looking more and more like the manufacturers are going to skip the hybrid version of models and go straight to EVs.

Agreed.

G MONEY · 08-16-2022, 04:58 PM

Ok. I will say it. Who the fuck cares? Lol. 2nd worse cars on the road after Mustangs😎🤪

FC4 · 08-16-2022, 05:47 PM

This is outrageous! What will people with sub-600 credit scores drive instead?!

dgoldenz · 08-16-2022, 05:59 PM

Is it just me or are Challenger and Charger drivers the worst on the planet? Everyone with a Hellcat seems to be blind, an idiot, or both.

stein_325i · 08-16-2022, 05:59 PM

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1877271

BGM-M3COMP · 08-16-2022, 06:13 PM

Makes sense.

Their bread and butter were their 6.4L and 6.2L SC V8 engines.

With how strict emissions are becoming, they have no choice. What are they going to do? Downside to a 6cyl? How would they ever exceed what they did with the V8's? I'm sure they could. But to warranty it for the customer for their standard 5 year 60k?

The only way is to go EV. This is what everyone is doing.

I hate to say it but after living with a tesla, this is the way (not talking about engine sounds).

RM7 · 08-16-2022, 06:39 PM

Well, it could also be that they are just going to drop sedans/coupes and focus on what makes money, SUVs, CUVs and trucks. The old chassis they have are just getting older and older and they never tried to do anything to refine the chassis to support other engines, like turbo, hybrid or whatever. They never tried to be competitive for going around a track and driving dynamics and they just seemed to try and squeeze as much life out of the old chassis as possible.

nerdogray · 08-16-2022, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FC4

This is outrageous! What will people with sub-600 credit scores drive instead?!

Top ten post here.

Jbrown7403 · 08-16-2022, 07:40 PM

I got stuck with Charger rental at the airport once …. Has to be the worst rear / side visibility of any car on the road.

Humdizzle · 08-16-2022, 08:41 PM

i can't believe people are spending 70k+ on a challenger hellcat. built off a 20 year old e-class chassis

chris719 · 08-16-2022, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Humdizzle

i can't believe people are spending 70k+ on a challenger hellcat. built off a 20 year old e-class chassis

Yeah, people shouldn't be outraged or surprised. They definitely wouldn't invest in modernizing powertrains for these cars when they couldn't even be bothered to touch 20+ year old bones after getting the platform for free from Daimler.

chris719 · 08-16-2022, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Makes sense.

Their bread and butter were their 6.4L and 6.2L SC V8 engines.

With how strict emissions are becoming, they have no choice. What are they going to do? Downside to a 6cyl? How would they ever exceed what they did with the V8's? I'm sure they could. But to warranty it for the customer for their standard 5 year 60k?

The only way is to go EV. This is what everyone is doing.

I hate to say it but after living with a tesla, this is the way (not talking about engine sounds).

The V8 is really the only (narrow) reason for these cars to exist. It's not a good car other than the fact that you can get a nice engine in it. Once you get rid of the V8s then these should definitely be put out to pasture.

AlexFL · 08-16-2022, 09:26 PM

I think the WB Challenger still looks pretty sweet. For example this Challenger Jailbreak.

StradaRedlands · 08-16-2022, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chris719

The V8 is really the only (narrow) reason for these cars to exist. It's not a good car other than the fact that you can get a nice engine in it. Once you get rid of the V8s then these should definitely be put out to pasture.

RWD V8 MT... not too many other options out there that check those boxes off.

KevinC · 08-16-2022, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nerdogray

Now if they can only do something about the ones already on the road.

KevinC · 08-16-2022, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jbrown7403

I got stuck with Charger rental at the airport once …. Has to be the worst rear / side visibility of any car on the road.

Happened to me too. The rental-spec V6 Charger is a dog with fleas in EVERY respect. I was shocked that a car of that size and girth could have as little usable space inside as it does. Awful visibility in all directions. Handled like a pig. Just awful.

///MPhatic · 08-17-2022, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

The only way is to go EV. This is what everyone is doing.

The way to go is to NOT disregard 146 years of engineering, but to supplement it with electric motor packs that can be installed in ANY car.

Same with self-driving vehicles. There is no need to make such a thing, but there IS a need to make aftermarket installable systems that will allow any car to be self-driving (starting with the Interstate).

Everything should happen in phases, it's the way everything works best.

pikkagtr · 08-17-2022, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Humdizzle

i can't believe people are spending 70k+ on a challenger hellcat. built off a 20 year old e-class chassis

Those people are clamoring to get their hands on the next 20+ yr old chassis 70$k MISMO Z
Because JDM

RM7 · 08-17-2022, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by chris719

The V8 is really the only (narrow) reason for these cars to exist. It's not a good car other than the fact that you can get a nice engine in it. Once you get rid of the V8s then these should definitely be put out to pasture.

That's a similar problem as compared to my Camaro. In SS, SS1LE, ZL1, ZL1-1LE, it's an absolute monster. The chassis is excellent with handling, feedback, dynamics, steering, etc. It punches way above it's weight and is fun to drive. But, there are drawbacks, getting in and out, people who don't want to adapt to the high belt lines or set the mirrors correctly, those that feel they need to see the hood, etc. None of these are deal-breakers for most enthusiasts looking for the performance it offers and somehow I don't hit cones during AutoX, but it also means that the V6 and I-4 models don't offer any real compelling reason to buy relative to the disadvantages. Those buyers typically aren't looking to maximize performance, they want a little sporty in all areas.

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